[Wiima]

I would like see this wonderfull fighter in this game
Engine Junkers Jumo210Ea 680hp
lenght: 9.3m
wing to other:9.1m
Top speed: 510km/h
arragment: 2x20 mm MG FF and 2x7,92 mm MG 17


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[Hunin]

I think a He 100 is a lot more feasible at the moment without a 3D converter.
I think once the current big project is underway I'll test out the options.

[MICHOO]

We almost have He 100 in game :wink:

[handerson]

+1000

[vanir]

Quite right. The so called "He-100D" was actually a propaganda designation involving a photograph of the twelve preproduction He-113 fighters developed from the He-112 (which entered limited production and was service tested alongside the BF-109 development models in Spain, 30 of the He-112 were built).

The He-113 was effectively Heinkell's competitor to the Fw-190 as a potential successor to the Me-109 but engine manufacture was a serious issue at the time and one of the main reasons Tank's unconventional radial proposal made the grade was that it used a different one to other planes in service (shortage of Daimler-Benz and Junkers motors was an issue which plagued German aircraft manufacture for some time, just about everything used those motors if it wanted good performance).

As for the He-112 that was a competitor with the BF-109B/C models and shared their engine series. It delivered better performance and was well liked by pilots but I guess political reasons killed it. Not so much favouritism for Willi Messerschmitt himself, but his already worldwide reputation by the time the decision was made. And as I mentioned due to engine shortages it was one or the other...and we all know how Hitler loved a captive audience regardless of the facts.

24 were finally sold to Rumania by Heinkell in despair and probably to recover costs and these were used on the Eastern Front. He probably would have sold the He-113 fighters off too if they weren't earmarked for propaganda purposes.

As a footnote, RAF pilots actually started claiming kills for the entirely fictional "He-100D fighter aircraft," one of a few things which must've bemused their superiors once 'Intelligence improved (or made them rather snotty, one or the other).

[MrOblongo]

He-112 were used by Rumanian Air Force for the Odessa campaing in 1941

+1

[Radoye]

Quite right. The so called "He-100D" was actually a propaganda designation involving a photograph of the twelve preproduction He-113 fighters developed from the He-112 (which entered limited production and was service tested alongside the BF-109 development models in Spain, 30 of the He-112 were built).

The He-113 was effectively Heinkell's competitor to the Fw-190 as a potential successor to the Me-109 but engine manufacture was a serious issue at the time and one of the main reasons Tank's unconventional radial proposal made the grade was that it used a different one to other planes in service (shortage of Daimler-Benz and Junkers motors was an issue which plagued German aircraft manufacture for some time, just about everything used those motors if it wanted good performance).

No - He-110 was the official designation of what used to be known He-113, Heinkel changed the name because of superstition (number 13). The planes were not adopted by the LW but flew in the private Heinkel factory defense unit. Despite this, more than a hundred "He-110" kills were claimed by Allied pilots during the war.

One He-110 was sent to USSR for evaluation, before Barbarossa when Hitler and Stalin were still pals. IIRC it was tested by Yakovlev people.

He-110 was not a FW-190 competitor, instead it was built to address the shortcomings of He-112, mainly too complex and expensive manufacture and maintenance (the performance of 112 was actually marginally better than that of the Messer but was too complex so LW thought it was not worth it, 109 already being far superior than anything available to the potential enemies). He-100 was therefore designed to be as simple as possible yet to offer good performance. However, LW once again refused to adopt a Heinkel design (a thing that was to repeat itself a few more times during the war, some say because Heinkel himself was not a Nazi and Wily Messerschmidt was - both He-100 and Fw-187 were killed off around the same time due to politics, because Wily Messerschmidt was well connected) this time the explanation was that it would be too big of a disruption to the production if they stopped to re-tool the factories for the new fighter, besides 109's were still superior to everything Allies could throw against them at the time.

But, if they decided differently, unlike FW-190 the He-100 would actually be ready for service in time for the Battle of Britain where its better range compared to 109 could be very useful indeed.

[RAF_Magpie]

Well, as an idea regarding the wings at least....

There's always the MiG-3...

[RAF_Magpie]

Quite right. The so called "He-100D" was actually a propaganda designation involving a photograph of the twelve preproduction He-113 fighters developed from the He-112 (which entered limited production and was service tested alongside the BF-109 development models in Spain, 30 of the He-112 were built).

The He-113 was effectively Heinkell's competitor to the Fw-190 as a potential successor to the Me-109 but engine manufacture was a serious issue at the time and one of the main reasons Tank's unconventional radial proposal made the grade was that it used a different one to other planes in service (shortage of Daimler-Benz and Junkers motors was an issue which plagued German aircraft manufacture for some time, just about everything used those motors if it wanted good performance).

No - He-110 was the official designation of what used to be known He-113, Heinkel changed the name because of superstition (number 13). The planes were not adopted by the LW but flew in the private Heinkel factory defense unit. Despite this, more than a hundred "He-110" kills were claimed by Allied pilots during the war.

One He-110 was sent to USSR for evaluation, before Barbarossa when Hitler and Stalin were still pals. IIRC it was tested by Yakovlev people.

He-110 was not a FW-190 competitor, instead it was built to address the shortcomings of He-112, mainly too complex and expensive manufacture and maintenance (the performance of 112 was actually marginally better than that of the Messer but was too complex so LW thought it was not worth it, 109 already being far superior than anything available to the potential enemies). He-100 was therefore designed to be as simple as possible yet to offer good performance. However, LW once again refused to adopt a Heinkel design (a thing that was to repeat itself a few more times during the war, some say because Heinkel himself was not a Nazi and Wily Messerschmidt was - both He-100 and Fw-187 were killed off around the same time due to politics, because Wily Messerschmidt was well connected) this time the explanation was that it would be too big of a disruption to the production if they stopped to re-tool the factories for the new fighter, besides 109's were still superior to everything Allies could throw against them at the time.

But, if they decided differently, unlike FW-190 the He-100 would actually be ready for service in time for the Battle of Britain where its better range compared to 109 could be very useful indeed.

Isnt that why the He-219 was never really taken on with much enthusiasim? I think I remember reading something of the sort about it...

But, if they decided differently, unlike FW-190 the He-100 would actually be ready for service in time for the Battle of Britain where its better range compared to 109 could be very
useful indeed

Its kinda funny how, the RAF had, at the time, two dedicated front line fighters, as did most other airforces... yet the Luftwaffe only really had the Bf-109 as its front line "advanced" fighter... I mean, if you disclude the Bf-110....

The He-100 would have made quite the suitable wingmate really... Also the Ki-61, there seems to be heavy He-100 influence in her lines, and the engine is infact of german design influence too isnt it...?

[Metatron]

Not only influence, it's a DB-601 copy!

[Radoye]

Isnt that why the He-219 was never really taken on with much enthusiasim? I think I remember reading something of the sort about it...

Yes it is. Ditto He-280.

[Brophmeister]

Not only influence, it's a DB-601 copy!

If its a DB601 copy, why is the Ki61 such a slow bitch of a plane in this game? Especially considering the Bf109 FM's are sorta kinda "close" to the real thing...

[GentleKiller]

Not only influence, it's a DB-601 copy!

If its a DB601 copy, why is the Ki61 such a slow bitch of a plane in this game? Especially considering the Bf109 FM's are sorta kinda "close" to the real thing...

it is because the japanese made planes with big wings and un-aerodynamic at high speeds :wink: