[dzial0]

I just have an idea: nice addition to P.11, RWD8 and Łoś - PZL P.38 wilk, polish heavy fighter (only few prototipes were made)



Maybe like this: fuzz from Ki-46 (armed version, without 37 mm cannon) with longer nose, wings from Il4, engines from Pe-3 and tail from Ranwers 'Łoś'?

[Radoye]

Two prototypes, both a failure due to weak engines and being overweight. A redesign with more powerful engines, PZL.48 was more promising but the war brought all work to an end before a prototype was finished.

If you want to add a Polish prototype i'd suggest PZL.50

[dzial0]

You mean "Jastrząb"? It's not so cute as Wilk, IMO. BTW changing P.37 into P.48 won't be hard to do.

Or... PZL P.62 :twisted:



Unfortunately, we have only drawings, it was just a project.

[Radoye]

You mean "Jastrząb"? It's not so cute as Wilk, IMO.

"Cuteness" doesn't win wars. PZL.38 was a good looking plane but completely useless as a military machine. On the other hand, PZL.50 might have been an ugly duckling but it showed plenty promise and would not be far behind the best of the contemporary fighters in the world.

The development of PZL.38 was abandoned, PZL.50 was actually ordered into production.

On PZL.48 and 62 we can only speculate because neither was ever flown.

[GentleKiller]

the polish planes took a little while to modernize and they just seem to be lost when the war broke out

[dzial0]

You mean "Jastrząb"? It's not so cute as Wilk, IMO.

"Cuteness" doesn't win wars. PZL.38 was a good looking plane but completely useless as a military machine. On the other hand, PZL.50 might have been an ugly duckling but it showed plenty promise and would not be far behind the best of the contemporary fighters in the world.

The development of PZL.38 was abandoned, PZL.50 was actually ordered into production.

On PZL.48 and 62 we can only speculate because neither was ever flown.

I agree with you at all, I just was wonder if anybody can do it... even if it's not a good machine.

But Jastrząb... Maybe. Any polish bird is always welcome

[Radoye]

I agree with you at all, I just was wonder if anybody can do it... even if it's not a good machine.

But Jastrząb... Maybe. Any polish bird is always welcome

Yeah, i'm thinking of limited resources management here. There are just so many people here capable actually doing this, and their time is limited, they can't really make everything people here would wish. So therefore their work needs to get prioritized - first to get the most important missing planes done then to go towards what-ifs and could've-beens.

And on the priority scale, for the Polish planes the most important would be the PZL.23 and PZL.37 (used in great numbers during the 1939 campaign), then maybe PZL.7 and PZL.24 (variants of the PZL.11, some 7's still in use in Poland and abroad, 24 strictly export), PZL.30 (a.k.a LWS-6), LWS-3 (and maybe the updated -7), RWD-14, then PZL.50 and PZL.43 (the next generation of Polish aircraft - 43 also for export), and just then the stuff like PZL.38, 48, 46, 49, 54, 62...

And before all these we would need the missing planes for the "big" players - Germany, USA, UK, France, Italy, Japan, USSR (Do-17, SM.79, D.520, Lancaster, Helldiver, Devastator...)

So it's not looking good for the PZL.38, i'd say...

[RAF_Magpie]

You mean "Jastrząb"? It's not so cute as Wilk, IMO.

"Cuteness" doesn't win wars. PZL.38 was a good looking plane but completely useless as a military machine. On the other hand, PZL.50 might have been an ugly duckling but it showed plenty promise and would not be far behind the best of the contemporary fighters in the world.

The development of PZL.38 was abandoned, PZL.50 was actually ordered into production.

On PZL.48 and 62 we can only speculate because neither was ever flown.

Yeah your right cuteness and looks dont win the wars, but win the hearts of the pilots that fly them.

And that, is important too But in a different sense

[dzial0]

I agree with you at all, I just was wonder if anybody can do it... even if it's not a good machine.

But Jastrząb... Maybe. Any polish bird is always welcome

Yeah, i'm thinking of limited resources management here. There are just so many people here capable actually doing this, and their time is limited, they can't really make everything people here would wish. So therefore their work needs to get prioritized - first to get the most important missing planes done then to go towards what-ifs and could've-beens.

And on the priority scale, for the Polish planes the most important would be the PZL.23 and PZL.37 (used in great numbers during the 1939 campaign), then maybe PZL.7 and PZL.24 (variants of the PZL.11, some 7's still in use in Poland and abroad, 24 strictly export), PZL.30 (a.k.a LWS-6), LWS-3 (and maybe the updated -7), RWD-14, then PZL.50 and PZL.43 (the next generation of Polish aircraft - 43 also for export), and just then the stuff like PZL.38, 48, 46, 49, 54, 62...

And before all these we would need the missing planes for the "big" players - Germany, USA, UK, France, Italy, Japan, USSR (Do-17, SM.79, D.520, Lancaster, Helldiver, Devastator...)

So it's not looking good for the PZL.38, i'd say...

Allright, you win

[Radoye]

Yay! :lol: :lol: :lol: