[uf_josse]

and at least took the time to ask you first, how could you complain? .

Btw, nobody asked me for that just saying...." i will modify, without asking....". here is the point.

[Hong Weibing]

I've seen friendlier IL2 forums for sure... :roll:

Oops, I just got bored.

Over
Hong

[fly_zo]

... funny how i gave you permission when you " borrowed" my mod here , when all this started .... surely you remember ....

wich mod ? explain please :roll:

No, credits are not enough without my authorization.....

well from present point of view its not a biggie ..... but at the time when we was still discovering the basics ....

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cheers
Z

[DustyFP]

Not to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but is there actual evidence suggesting that exhaust smoke is produced at 100%+ throttle from any of the aviation engines represented in the game? It seems to me, given that in internal combustion engines black exhaust smoke is the product of incompletely burned fuel, that this would be a strange thing for engines running at wide open throttle (highest intake airflow) to produce if the mixture is properly adjusted.

I'm sure it can be done, but I wonder if it should be.

A quick read through any Spitfire pilot's biography will tell you that when the throttle was maxed out a large belch of black smoke would come out of the pipes in any but the newest engines. It didn't STAY on, as the engine would quickly recover the appropriate fuel/air mix. But it certainly happened.

[Bimmer]

A quick read through any Spitfire pilot's biography will tell you that when the throttle was maxed out a large belch of black smoke would come out of the pipes in any but the newest engines. It didn't STAY on, as the engine would quickly recover the appropriate fuel/air mix. But it certainly happened.

Fair enough - I'm just trying to determine what is correct. As I'm sure you'll agree, a single puff of black smoke is certainly different from a continuous trail. If someone is going to pursue this mod, I would only hope that it was done with historical correctness in mind.

[bigpickle]

i would really like to see this done as a mod, i love what this site and all the modders have done for IL2 wat a friggin shame the actual game makers didnt do all these things

[Hong Weibing]

i would really like to see this done as a mod, i love what this site and all the modders have done for IL2 wat a friggin shame the actual game makers didnt do all these things

True, lots of great peeps here doing a lot for the sim.
I won't be shedding a tear but Oleg and his gang have also done a lot by developing IL2 in the first place. Tons of patches + additional planes + expansions, the list goes on!
Heck, I haven't yet flown all flyable planes from the un-moded sim.

Let's not turn our backs on 1C just like that.

Cheers
Hong

[Metatron]

Agreed Hong. Despite all the talent of the modders, it's love of this game that is IL-2 that drives them.

[Trooper117]

bigpickle made a valid point thats all, it's true,it is a big shame that Oleg and crew didn't do half of the stuff that the guys on this site have produced.. he wasn't making any unkind remarks... We have hashed this out many times in previous threads, no Oleg bashing, thats a given, seeing that we love what he has done for the IL2 series.. but lets not get into the realms of not being able to express a simple truth regarding Oleg without being called to task!..

[Hong Weibing]

Pickle & Trooper,
Wasn't jumping on Pickle's remark for being unkind. I actually agree with him but still can't see how so much work could have been achieved by 1C.
I only meant that AAA has now got the attention of the IL2's modding community, quickly coming up with great improvement ideas and delivering fast. On the other hand, 1C was just a small studio (maybe still is, dunno) trying to run a business while dealing with a French publisher!

Delivering IL2 the way 1C did at the time wasn't a shame, it was a sheer miracle. That was my point, just a wrong choice of words from both Pickle and myself I suppose.

Cheers
Hong

[Trooper117]

No drama mate!.. :mrgreen:

[godverdoom]

Well, actually every engine produces smoke after a rapid throttle movement. All engines incorporate an acceleration pump into its carburettor. Does not matter if it is a Float type or an Pressure Injection type carburettor. The Acceleration pump incorporated into the carburettors, discharge a brief quantity of Rich fuel mixture to compensate the rapid increase in carburettor pressure after a rapid throttle movement, which will take place faster than the mixture metering can keep up with, so this is for all engines. If it is a spit or a piper cup it actually does not matter, but bigger engines need more juice :wink: So than this mod may be fitted for all aircraft.

[Bimmer]

The presence of an accelerator pump does not necessarily mean the engine will produce significant amounts of smoke every time the throttle is opened quickly. A properly tuned engine may not produce any discernible smoke, as the accelerator pump charge is burned completely. Only an improperly sized accelerator pump aperture will create large amounts of smoke, along with stumbling on acceleration and possibly fouled plugs. Metering is a function of the carburetor design, and some are more efficient than others.

Fuel injection systems, including the mechanical type employed in many WWII-era aircraft, can be tuned more efficiently still. Running extremely high fuel pressures (~500psi or more), these systems can be exceptionally efficient and are calibrated to precisely meter the fuel to the engine in all operating conditions. Injected engines are even less likely than carbuteted engines to exhibit significant amounts of smoke if in proper tune.

As I have stated before, a boost system MAY (depending upon the type of boost it provides) produce smoke along with increased power, but this will come along with other, likely detrimental, effects on the engine. To make a blanket statement suggesting that all fuel systems on all aviation engines produce similar amounts of unburned fuel smoke in similar operating conditions is vastly oversimplifying the situation.

[Jg3_Hartmann]

Well, I talked with many people who have to do with the still flying 109