[Trooper117]

lol.. don't panic mate, not having a dig, its just that I've seen this type of thread for years on lots of different forums.. and I mean it gets really silly sometimes..
hey, at least you will get shed loads of real flying experience shortly with the AAC!

[.041 Safety Wire]

Trooper,

Good luck on your Private Pilots License I just hope you don't have the CFI who posted above as I think he didn,t pay attention during the course syllabus on airspeed that statement about flyinf into a 70 knot headwind with an indicated airspeed of 91 Knots and having a TAS of 21 had me on the floor laughing, anyway good luck.

[danimalhanke]

[quote="Congompasse"]One example: You're flying your 1964 Cessna 172 (which I own) at 91 knots into a head wind of 70 knots at a heading of 0 degrees and your density altitude is 29.92 then your TAS is 21 knots. See what I mean?I totally disagree with this statement, speed through the air is speed thru the air non dependent on tailwinds or headwinds. Me thinks you better take the CFI refresher course.

If your airspeed is only 21 knots how is the aircraft flying, I beleieve that your speed over the ground is 21 knots. Under your way of thinking if you are flying your 1964 Cessna 172 which you own at 91 knots into a 91 knot headwind then your TAS is 0, I ain't buying it.

Indicated airspeed (IAS) is the airspeed read directly from the airspeed indicator on an aircraft, driven by the pitot-static system. IAS is directly related to calibrated airspeed (CAS), but includes instrument errors and position error.

An aircraft's indicated airspeed in knots is typically abbreviated KIAS for "Knots-Indicated Air Speed" (vs. KCAS for calibrated airspeed and KTAS for true airspeed).


[edit] IAS and V speeds
Unless an aircraft is at a sufficient sea level under International Standard Atmosphere conditions (15

[danimalhanke]

Trooper,

Good luck on your Private Pilots License I just hope you don't have the CFI who posted above as I think he didn,t pay attention during the course syllabus on airspeed that statement about flyinf into a 70 knot headwind with an indicated airspeed of 91 Knots and having a TAS of 21 had me on the floor laughing, anyway good luck.

Laughing because you know nothing? How many hours do you have? How many students have you gotten past their 1st solo? And how many times have you conducted ground school instruction for a large university?

I wasn't providing an in depth air speed discussion. Just a general statement to a novice so he might better understand. While I'm trying to help, you write moronic comments trying the belittle a professional flight instructor. Good luck with that! LOL!

My advice to you? Well, like my father always said "Tis better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!"

[KC Jones]

edit: sorry Daminal - we posted at the same time.

Folks,

Very interesting talk.

Some of it I understand, some of it .....

Am not a real pilot but sat in a P-51 on display at Franklin Institute right after WWII. Took a couple of rides in a Tri-Pacer as a teenager and studied for my license (not sure what they called them in the '50s) but cost of lessons was about $25, way out of reach for someone making about $3-4 a week.

So I read and learn from Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook.

I can dream can't I ?

I got a machine that lets me fly virtually anyplace I want and in any airplane :-)

Enough talk - I do better with pictures.

From Rod Machado [ http://www.rodmachado.com/ ]



another edit: Whoa ! Guess what "sample" chapter you can download in pdf format ?

http://www.rodmachado.com/Images/Privat ... 20Here.pdf

Just saved some of you guys about $45 (1990's dollars), and it talks about E6Bs and you guessed it - airspeeds

[danimalhanke]

3) a specific question to plane modders: what is your reference when checking speed of new modded planes, to verify if they are plausible? Do you "believe" in WW TAS view or in TAS converted from IAS (and, in this case, using which formula)?

This is the last and probably the most important part of CloCloZ original post. He wants to know which formula to use. I responded by showing CloCloZ that one specific formula would not be the correct answer. The discussion of air speeds is lengthy and sometimes very complicated. To introduce anything more than a few very over simplified "rules of thumbs" would make a sim unplayable. The concepts of the four forces which affect every aircraft can seem complicated to some people and simple to others. Duh! That's true of most things in life. There are people out here who read these posts/questions and try to help. Then there are some posters who try to hide their ignorance by attempting to belittle the ones who try to help. Duh! Again just like in real life. There's and old saying "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!" Some posters would do well to get out of the way of those who are trying to help those who are trying to learn!

[.041 Safety Wire]

Trooper,

Good luck on your Private Pilots License I just hope you don't have the CFI who posted above as I think he didn,t pay attention during the course syllabus on airspeed that statement about flyinf into a 70 knot headwind with an indicated airspeed of 91 Knots and having a TAS of 21 had me on the floor laughing, anyway good luck.

Laughing because you know nothing? How many hours do you have? How many students have you gotten past their 1st solo? And how many times have you conducted ground school instruction for a large university?

I wasn't providing an in depth air speed discussion. Just a general statement to a novice so he might better understand. While I'm trying to help, you write moronic comments trying the belittle a professional flight instructor. Good luck with that! LOL!

My advice to you? Well, like my father always said "Tis better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!"

Airspeed has nothing to do with headwinds where did you get your cfi certification at the five and dime store.

[danimalhanke]

Trooper,

Good luck on your Private Pilots License I just hope you don't have the CFI who posted above as I think he didn,t pay attention during the course syllabus on airspeed that statement about flyinf into a 70 knot headwind with an indicated airspeed of 91 Knots and having a TAS of 21 had me on the floor laughing, anyway good luck.

Laughing because you know nothing? How many hours do you have? How many students have you gotten past their 1st solo? And how many times have you conducted ground school instruction for a large university?

I wasn't providing an in depth air speed discussion. Just a general statement to a novice so he might better understand. While I'm trying to help, you write moronic comments trying the belittle a professional flight instructor. Good luck with that! LOL!

My advice to you? Well, like my father always said "Tis better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!"

Airspeed has nothing to do with headwinds where did you get your cfi certification at the five and dime store.

Once again moron, you are wrong! Surprise! Surprise! CFI's are NOT given away at the Five & Dime you earn them thru hard work and lot of class room time and a lot of flying time. Oh, and you have to spend a lot of money too! I pity your ignorance. Now that I've explained how one goes about getting his CFI perhaps you'll move out of mommies basement and join the rest of society and get your CFI! There's a real world out here and it full of "real" people just like me. Don't let that scare you come on out and play!

[.041 Safety Wire]

3) a specific question to plane modders: what is your reference when checking speed of new modded planes, to verify if they are plausible? Do you "believe" in WW TAS view or in TAS converted from IAS (and, in this case, using which formula)?

This is the last and probably the most important part of CloCloZ original post. He wants to know which formula to use. I responded by showing CloCloZ that one specific formula would not be the correct answer. The discussion of air speeds is lengthy and sometimes very complicated. To introduce anything more than a few very over simplified "rules of thumbs" would make a sim unplayable. The concepts of the four forces which affect every aircraft can seem complicated to some people and simple to others. Duh! That's true of most things in life. There are people out here who read these posts/questions and try to help. Then there are some posters who try to hide their ignorance by attempting to belittle the ones who try to help. Duh! Again just like in real life. There's and old saying "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!" Some posters would do well to get out of the way of those who are trying to help those who are trying to learn!

Feeding misinformation to people is not teaching.

[.041 Safety Wire]

edit: sorry Daminal - we posted at the same time.

Folks,

Very interesting talk.

Some of it I understand, some of it .....

Am not a real pilot but sat in a P-51 on display at Franklin Institute right after WWII. Took a couple of rides in a Tri-Pacer as a teenager and studied for my license (not sure what they called them in the '50s) but cost of lessons was about $25, way out of reach for someone making about $3-4 a week.

So I read and learn from Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook.

I can dream can't I ?

I got a machine that lets me fly virtually anyplace I want and in any airplane :-)

Enough talk - I do better with pictures.

From Rod Machado [ http://www.rodmachado.com/ ]



another edit: Whoa ! Guess what "sample" chapter you can download in pdf format ?

http://www.rodmachado.com/Images/Privat ... 20Here.pdf

Just saved some of you guys about $45 (1990's dollars), and it talks about E6Bs and you guessed it - airspeeds

Like I said it has nothing to do with headwinds or tailwinds

[.041 Safety Wire]

Animalhanke


Send the moronic statement you made about flying into the 70 mph headwind to the General Aviation District Office of the Federal Aviation Administration and see what they have to say about it , They'll probably want to review your paperwork and bring you in for a biennial flight review.

In fact copy down what you wrote and take it to some of your flight instructor buddies and let them read it and see if they agree with you that an aircraft flying at 91 mph into a 70 mph headwind has a TAS of 21 mph and see what they say.

[danimalhanke]

Send the moronic statement you made about flying into the 70 mph headwind to the General Aviation District Office of the Federal Aviation Administration and see what they have to say about it , They'll probably want to review your paperwork and bring you in for a biennial flight review.[/quote]


Three words "dead reckoning navigation". YOU talk to the FSDO and YOU tell them that headwinds and tailwinds have nothing do with air speeds! They will laugh you out of their office. Hell, they'll probably call the LEO and have you arrested for being an escaped mental patient making stupid statements like in this forum! LOL!

You see ladies and gentlemen this is what happens when a moron tries to argue with an experienced pilot! Some people just can't be taught!

BTW please tell the audience how many flight hours you have. I know the answer lets see if you have the nads to tell the truth! This "General Aviation District Office of the Federal Aviation Administration" is not the lingo "real" pilots use, only posers like you. We call it the FSDO pronounce fizzdo!

[RAF_Magpie]

Enough. This is not the Zoo. Take your disagreement else where. Locked.