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Axis experimental and 'what if' 1946 aircrafts
#16

ROSOBORONEXPORTCORP Wrote:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/in...6720;image

Added Ohka information to the list. Check them on the list under Japan nation.


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#17

Might not fit here, but........

Over the years, I came across repeated statements that the F7U was developed from either an Arado project or a FW project!?

Does anyone know of such information or know specifically which ac lead to the development of the F7U?

Dennis :roll:
#18

dgk196 Wrote:Might not fit here, but........

Over the years, I came across repeated statements that the F7U was developed from either an Arado project or a FW project!?

Does anyone know of such information or know specifically which ac lead to the development of the F7U?

Dennis :roll:

I have found some information that may answer your question. I am quoting this from this website:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... aft_id=356

Quote:Vought F7U Cutlass
A poor accident record eventually did in the F7U Cutlass in a short two years of frontline service with the USN.


The Chance Vought F7U Cutlass was an interesting aircraft in many ways. For one, the aircraft was the direct result of American research into the jet designs and technologies of the Arado company - the German aircraft firm that was responsible for various jet-powered aircraft just before the fall of the Third Reich. With its unique design, the F7U Cutlass was to become the US Navy's premiere carrier-based fighter. But in the end, the designed failed to live up to expectations and suffered a short, if unspectacular, existence in American aviation lore.

Born out of a Navy need for a carrier-based fighter aircraft, the Chance Vought (later to be known as just "Vought") firm proceeded with a design based on Arado engineering practices which often times delved into tail-less swept-wing aircraft designs. Though the Cutlass featured tail fins for stabilization, there were no traditional tail surfaces per se in the design.


Now that is quite interesting, I never realized that F7U design was heaviliy influenced by Arado design.

Confusedhock:

However the first flight of F7U is during 1948 which is two years ahead of 1946. I wonder if this aircraft is great idea to be added to the list?

:?:


Chaoic out...
#19

I am posting this because i would love to see the Fw-TL Jager ''Flitzer'' (Germany) in Il-2 1946.
I don't have a blue print that i can move onto the computer (because i have the revell model kit of the aircraft) but there is one on luft46
http://www.luft46.com/fw/3bfflitz.jpg
I have specfications for the VII version. I also found some drawn pictures on the net:
[Image: 3044-31146.jpg]
and
[Image: 200032951.jpg]
and some of the model:
[Image: flitzer006.jpg]
and
[Image: 02.jpg]

Data
The aircraft has Two engines, one is a HeS11A Jet engine (static thrust=1300kp) and another is HWK 109-509C rocket engine (static thrust=2000kp).
Dimentions:
Length: 10.55m
Height: 2.35m
Wingspan: 8m
Wing area: 14sq/m
Wing sweep: 32 degrees
Operational weight: 2705kg
Fuel weight: 570kg
Walter/rocket engine+fuel(total weight): 936kg
Take-off weight: 4767kg
Max speed at 6000m: 830km/h
Service ceiling: 13000m
Range at 11500m: 570km/h
Duration of flight(max): 56min
Take-off run: 400m
Landing speed: 180km/h
Power units: a HeS11A Jet engine (static thrust=1300kp) and aHWK 109-509C rocket engine (static thrust=2000kp)
Armament: 2x 30mm Mk 103/108 cannons (in the nose) and 2x 20mm Mk 151/120 (in the wings)

That's all the infomation i have and i hope some one can make this aircraft mod for Il-2 1946.

Thanks for taking interest and actually reading this huge post.
#20

dgk196 Wrote:Might not fit here, but........

Over the years, I came across repeated statements that the F7U was developed from either an Arado project or a FW project!?

Does anyone know of such information or know specifically which ac lead to the development of the F7U?

Dennis :roll:

Not directly, but the americans (as did the allies in general) 'inherited' much research conducted by german engineers in WW2. The cutlass was designed with this research in mind and whilst there may be some resemblance to arado projects, the internal strucuture, equipment, layouts, and other sundry issues are very much american.
#21

killen5 Wrote:I am posting this because i would love to see the Fw-TL Jager ''Flitzer'' (Germany) in Il-2 1946.
I don't have a blue print that i can move onto the computer (because i have the revell model kit of the aircraft) but there is one on luft46
http://www.luft46.com/fw/3bfflitz.jpg
I have specfications for the VII version. I also found some drawn pictures on the net:
[Image: 3044-31146.jpg]
and
[Image: 200032951.jpg]
and some of the model:
[Image: flitzer006.jpg]
and
[Image: 02.jpg]

Data
The aircraft has Two engines, one is a HeS11A Jet engine (static thrust=1300kp) and another is HWK 109-509C rocket engine (static thrust=2000kp).
Dimentions:
Length: 10.55m
Height: 2.35m
Wingspan: 8m
Wing area: 14sq/m
Wing sweep: 32 degrees
Operational weight: 2705kg
Fuel weight: 570kg
Walter/rocket engine+fuel(total weight): 936kg
Take-off weight: 4767kg
Max speed at 6000m: 830km/h
Service ceiling: 13000m
Range at 11500m: 570km/h
Duration of flight(max): 56min
Take-off run: 400m
Landing speed: 180km/h
Power units: a HeS11A Jet engine (static thrust=1300kp) and aHWK 109-509C rocket engine (static thrust=2000kp)
Armament: 2x 30mm Mk 103/108 cannons (in the nose) and 2x 20mm Mk 151/120 (in the wings)

That's all the infomation i have and i hope some one can make this aircraft mod for Il-2 1946.

Thanks for taking interest and actually reading this huge post.

Added to the list and I apology for a very long response time. I was very busy with college work for a while and I am currenlty on christmas break for 3 weeks. I am going to start updating all aircraft threads.

Wink


Chaoic out...
#22

devil952 Wrote:wow the germans had it right, some of those crafts looked from the 50s-60s

Yeah, you got that right. You can just look at many of those proposed aircraft designs, and you can tell how they inspired many of today's modern designs. I can't remember which one it was (I looked at a million of em!) but it looked just like an A-10 Warthog. The airframes were nearly identical in shape and engine placement, and like the A-10, it was supposed to be made for tank killing (would have been a real Panzer M
#23

added Ki-87 to experimental and 'what if' aircraft list under Japan nation.


Chaoic out...
#24

[quote="bigbossmalone"]Chaoic, I saw this bird for the first time (just pics so far) at luftarchiv.de.
Looks a winner, never heaard of her before, though...
might've been the King of FockeWulfs!!! Big Grin Big Grin 8)

[Image: FockeWulfFw190V18U1withDB603Motortu.jpg]

FW190V18 U1 turbo-charged DB603.......yummy!! :lol:
[Image: turbo.gif]

side view - shades of a P-51 in there... 8)

[Image: turbo_2.jpg]

The turbo...

I'll try to find out a bit more about her... Smile

Found this bit of info amongst others...'In order to meet this new requirement and to improve the performances of the DB603, K.Tank asked its engineers to study the installation of a turbocompressor pulled by exhaust pipes. Solicited manufacturers of turbine, Hirth and DVL (Deutsche Versuchsanstalt f
#25

Japanese "1946" color 3-views:

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1431
#26

Radoye Wrote:Japanese "1946" color 3-views:

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1431

These are bloody excellent website, now I have more to research and add experimetnal and 'what if' of Japanese plane to the list during my free time. Thank you for this website!

Confusedhock: Big Grin


Chaoic out...
#27

i got a gmax of the TA 400 and 1 a lot lite the Fw-TL Jager and Triebflugel and the Arado 555
http://simviation.com/adoptfsc.htm
#28

[quote="armyguy"]i got a gmax of the TA 400 and 1 a lot lite the Fw-TL Jager and Triebflugel and the Arado 555
http://simviation.com/adoptfsc.htm
#29

not my models
#30

Added He 274 and He 277 to the list under German bomber list (German 04 section).


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