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Do17Z , Do215 and Do217 Request
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Do17
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Do17Z-10

Hi all,

i dont know if some one have ask it before ......Buht please is it possible to start making the
Dornier Do-17Z-2 and export versian Do215B-1 and the Do 217E-1 and 2 or ahter versians of that bomber?
Its nice to have the Do bombers in il2 as the were used from 1936 to 1944/45 on all fronts.
It play`t a major part in France and BOB and slowly made the way clear for real NF german plane`s in early war stage`s
It was used as Long range bomber , Blitsbomber , Intruder , Nightfighter , Recon and finnaly as training plane.
This plane we mis in il2 as a bomber-SQD for the Luftwaffe.

Thnx I/KG26_Oranje

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Dornier DO17 / Do 215

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In response to a Lufthansa specification of 1933 for a six-passenger mail plane, Dornier designed a shoulder-wing all-metal monoplane to be powered by two 660 hp (492 kW) BMW VI engines. Three prototypes of this Dornier Do 17 were built in 1934, but although the airline carried out an evaluation programme early in the following year, the aircraft's slim fuselage provided such limited passenger accommodation that all three were returned to the manufacturer. The design had military potential, however, and a fourth prototype (Do 17 V4) with twin vertical tail surfaces and a shortened fuselage was flown in the summer of 1935. Among development prototypes, the fifth was powered by 860-hp (641-kW) Hispano Suiza 12Ybrs engines, the seventh mounted a 7.92 mm (0.31 in) MG 15 machine gun in a dorsal blister, and the tenth was fitted with 750 hp (559 kW) BMW VI engines. The initial production versions were the Do 17E-1 which, developed from the ninth prototype, had a glazed and shortened nose, and carried a 1,102 lbs (500 kg) bomb load, and the Do 17F-1 reconnaissance aircraft with increased fuel capacity and two cameras. Both of these models made their operational debut with the Legion Condor in Spain during 1937. Their performance was such that they had little difficulty in avoiding contact with the obsolescent aircraft then serving with the Republican air force.



Introduced publicly at the 1937 International Military Aircraft Competition held at Dubendorf, near Zurich, the Do 17 VS prototype (or Do 17M Vl) powered by two 1,000 hp (746 kW) Daimler-Benz DB 600A engines soon gained the nickname 'Flying Pencil' because of its slender fuselage. More significantly, it was able to better the performance of international fighters taking part in the contest. Following this demonstration at Dubendorf, Yugoslavia showed interest in the type and the Do 17K was developed for that nation, being similar to the Do 17M but powered by two 980 hp (731 kW) Gnome-Rhone 14NI/2engines. The type was to be licence-built by Drazavna Fabrika Aviona at Kraljevo, the three versions produced being the Do 17Kb-1 bomber, and the Do 17Ka-2 and Do 17Ka-3 reconnaissance aircraft with secondary bombing and attack capability respectively. Two prototypes of a proposed pathfinder version which did not enter production were built under the designation Do 17L, these being powered by two 900 hp (671 kW) Bramo 323A-1 radial engines because of a shortage of Daimler-Benz DB 600s. The same Bramo powerplant was used for the thirteenth and fourteenth prototypes to develop the airframe/engine combination for the production Do 17M-1, which could carry a 2,205 lbs (1000 kg) bombload and was armed with three 7.92 mm (0.31 in) MG machine guns.

A photo-reconnaissance version of the Do 17M entered production under the designation Do 17P, powered by two 875 hp (652 kW) BMW 132N radial engines and carried Rb 20/30 and Rb 50/30, or Rb 20/8 and Rb 50/8 cameras in the Do 17P-1 production series. Two aircraft were built as engine test-beds under the designation Do 17R, one with 950 hp (708 kW) Daimler-Benz DB 60OGs, and the other with 1,000 hp (746 kW) Daimler-Benz DB 601As. They were followed by three DB 60OG powered high-speed reconnaissance aircraft which had the designation Do 17S-0. Used for test purposes, these had an extensively glazed nose and the airframe incorporated a bulged section in the underside of the forward fuselage, accommodating a gunner in a prone position to operate an aft-firing MG 15 machine-gun. These experimental reconnaissance machines were followed by a small production batch of 15 pathfinders, comprising three Do 17U-0 and 12 Do I7U-1 aircraft, the five-men crews of which included two radio operators to handle the new and comprehensive communications and navigation radios.



Major production version was the Do 17Z, which appeared in several variants and was built to a total of some 1,700 between 193940. They included the Do 17Z-0 which, powered by two 900 hp (671 kW) Bramo 323A-1 engines and armed with three MG 15 machine guns, was otherwise similar to the Do 17S. The Do 17Z-1 had an additional nose-mounted MG 15 but was underpowered and restricted to a 1,102 Ib (500 kg) bombload; this situation was rectified in the Do 17Z-2 which with 1,000 hp (746 kW) Bramo 323P engines could carry a 2,205 lbs (1000 kg) bombload and up to eight MG 15 machine guns. Some 22 examples of the Do 17Z-3 reconnaissance aircraft were built, each equipped with Rb50/30 or Rb20/30 cameras, and they were followed by the Do 17Z-4 dual-control conversion trainer. Final bomber variant was the Do 17Z-5 which, generally similar to the Do 17Z-2, differed by having flotation bags in the fuselage and in the rear of the engine nacelles. Do 17 production ended with a single Do 17Z-6 Kauz 1 (screech owl 1) long-range intruder and night-fighter which incorporated a Junkers Ju 88C-2 nose housing a 20-mm MG FF cannon and three MG 15 machine-guns. However, for the nine Do 17Z-10 Kauz 11 aircraft that followed anew nose was developed which housed four MG FF cannon and four 7.92 mm (0.31 in) MG 17 machine guns; when deployed as night- fighters they were equipped with Lichtenstein Cl radar and Spanner-11-Anlage infra-red detection apparatus.

Export versions of the Do 17Z were planned under the general designation Do 215, the first to be developed being the Do 215A-1, with 1,075-hp (802-kW) Daimler-Benz DB 601A engines, which was ordered by Sweden in 1939. With the outbreak of World War 11 the 18 aircraft were embargoed and following conversion to Luftwaffe requirements were delivered for use as four-seat bomber/reconnaissance aircraft under the designations Do 215B-0 and Do 215B-1. Two examples of the Do 215B-3 were delivered to the USSR during 1940, and the Do 215BA was a reconnaissance version, similar in configuration to the Do 215B-1, but carrying Rb 20/30 and Rb 50/30 cameras. Final variant was the night-fighter/intruder Do 215B-5 which had an unglazed nose, similar to that of the Do 17Z-10, but housing two 20-mm MG FF cannon and four 7.92 mm (0.31 in) MG machine-guns.

Dornier Do 17s played a significant role in the early phase of World War 11, used first on 1 September 1939 when the invasion of Poland began. They played only a small part in the Norwegian campaign, but were used extensively in the invasion of France and the Low Countries, against Allied convoys in the English Channel and targets in England during the Battle of Britain. Deployed in the invasion of Greece, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union most had been withdrawn from first-line service by late 1941.

Do 17E and F
The prototypes had mounted the excellent Dailmer-Benz DB 600 engines, but these were constantly in short supply. Production started instead with the BMW V1 radial engine, creating the Do 17E-1 bomber and Do 17F-1 reconnaissance versions. The bombload of the E-1 was a measly 500kg, and the two defensive MG15 machine guns were in a hut on the roof and a small hatch in the floor that offered almost no angle of fire.

Do 17K
After seeing the Do 17M at the Z
#2

I know we get a lot of requests and some members find that quite annoying, but honestly this should be at the absolute top of the 'to do' list. Why it is completely passed over in most sims is beyond me as it was one of Germany's main bombers and recce aircraft from the outbreak of war and it remained one of the more commonly-encountered types well into it. The Do-17 is essential for any Battle of Britain campaign and the 215 and 217 for the following sweeps by the RAF, where it was engaged frequently. I'm not sure on its use on the Eastern front, but I'd hazard a guess that it was similarly extensive.

I personally would begin on this, but I'm still completely new to modelling aircraft, let alone doing so for Il-2... ideally, the next project taken on by one of our more proficient modders should be this aircraft and its variants. I don't mind waiting for current projects to be completed but to be honest I'd rather see this started next rather than any more fantasy-waffe or even '50s aircraft which are next on the list.
#3

i agree. i requested the Do217E a while back, the Do17 was being worked on and i dont know about the Do215. the do217E is my favorite WWII plane, and i have been hoping for it to someday be in the game. :? Smile
#4

I want the Do-17 'cause it was one of our bomber types in continuation war
#5

Hi rossmum,

Firts of all thnx for the support.
And yes i agree , Exuly i find that it was a job for Oleg and crew in the first place, wiht the outcome off Forgotten battles toghter wiht the Fin Fokker D-21 , A.I. or flyable i dont care on that part buht it hase to be in il2. (Flyble is favorit for all i think lol)

To anser ure Qustion on the Do17/215/217 if it was on Eastern front , yes it diht.
I know that in Romania there was a NJG SQD wiht Do17/217 NF against the bombers after the ploski run.
And i have aded a pic in my first post wiht a Do217 captured by the Russians.
(P.S. dont mix this up wiht the Do17 sold to Russia :-) )
Maby if i drop in to it deeper i find more recorses for this plane and reports on the russion front or anyware.

S! I/KG26_Oranje
P.S. All bilders and support mebers are doing a great job for us all.
thnx.
#6

Do-17Z is being worked on by Hawkman. Stop requesting it already.
#7

great news magpie..but I'm still shakin my head as to why Oleg is not releasing a flyable 217 for SoW
:?:
#8

Bolt Wrote:great news magpie..but I'm still shakin my head as to why Oleg is not releasing a flyable 217 for SoW
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Which SoW? The first one, A.K.A. SoW:BoB?

I don't know when the 217 saw action over Britain, but remember that Oleg said there would be only aircraft made, which were (heavily?) used in actions during the Battle of Britain.

Take into account that Oleg specified the actual period of what is called BoB. I don't remember Oleg's time frame, but BoB was just about 3 months in 1940. August, September and October.

I'm shaking my head at the limited period. Wink
#9

This was more than just a request, it was a history lesson. Good Sunday morning read, enjoyed it !!

KG26
#10

lol he must of been up all night writing that one! Good call, but more british bombers needed first!
#11

Definitely need more German bombers first. Big Grin
#12

...t's right. Sorry!. Good call, weasel. But he's got them specific
flames shootin' outa his eyes. He MUST be right on that. :wink:
#13

CSG Lipfert Wrote:This was more than just a request, it was a history lesson. Good Sunday morning read, enjoyed it !!

KG26

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PS: thouch
#14

RAF_Magpie Wrote:Do-17Z is being worked on by Hawkman. Stop requesting it already.
When did this happen? I seem to have missed it...
#15

JAMF Wrote:
Bolt Wrote:great news magpie..but I'm still shakin my head as to why Oleg is not releasing a flyable 217 for SoW
:?:
Which SoW? The first one, A.K.A. SoW:BoB?

I don't know when the 217 saw action over Britain, but remember that Oleg said there would be only aircraft made, which were (heavily?) used in actions during the Battle of Britain.

The Do 17Z was the Luftwaffe's most important bomber (numerically) during the Battle of Britain. The Do 217E1 didn't see operational use until Jan 1941.
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