[Chaoic16]

Well, then i'll try my luck... a Fi-156 Storch with skis?

http://www.europeanmodeller.com/resource...14_800.jpg

https://www.freetimehobbies.com/producti...QU1198.jpg
http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_...00x200.jpg

And perhaps a bomber version...they did exist and could (according to in-game info) carry up to 150 kgs of bombs. Unfortunately i couldn't find any other informations about it, not even whether the bombs were fitted underwings or on the belly(probably).
So, i know you magicians have a lot of other work to do, but this'd really mean a lot to all storch fans

Added to the list.




Chaoic out...

[cpwn]

FIAT G.55 ss0/sI/S & G.56

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/g55/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIAT_G.55

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sho...?p=3323113

http://www.ams.vr.it/AircWalkAround/Muse...g%2005.htm






Bf 109G-10/R6&U4

http://www.japo.eu/products.php?cat=4
http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreviews/bf...ewbg_1.htm
http://hsfeatures.com/bf109g10type110fw_1.htm
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/bf109g10erlafr_1.htm
http://kurfurst.org/Engine/Boostclearanc...ce198.html

The Bf 109G-10 was not a result of standard development of the fighter, but rather a result of urgent demand for the highest number of powerful fighter aircraft possible. In mid-1944, the DB 605D engine was completed after a prolonged development, an anticipated unit for the Bf 109K. As development of the new model suffered from constant delays. it became obvious in early summer 1944 that Bf 109K serial production would not begin in any foreseeable future. Moreover the Bf 109K featured numerous changes as compared to earlier models and thus problems and delays could be expected when launching serial production. As the pressure to manufcature and deliver higher number of aircraft was strong, any fall in production was not acceptable. On the other hand there was a possibility to install the advanced DB 605D engine in the existing Bf 109G airframe (currently the Bf 109G-6 with the MW 50, later designated as G-14) and thus avoid possible complications. This was to present no significant problems as far as the design was concerned, as earlier DB 605A and AS and the new DB 605D differed very little in size and their attachment points were identical. Mating together the existing Bf 109G framework and the new engine would remarkably increase operational performance at all altitudes while maintaining the on-running mass production.

The aforementioned reasons,i.e.,delays in Bf 109K development and easy switch to production of a DB 605D-powered Bf 109 gave rise at the turn of June and July 1944 to a new Bf 109G model powered by the advanced engine. It was designated the Bf 109G-10. Erla Leipzig was assigned to develop the design as the Regensburg branch was fully preoccupied with work on the Me 262 and with designing the Bf 109K. A note in an official list of Bf109 models of 2nd August 1944 documents the fact, as it described the Bf109G-10 as "Bastard Flugzeug der Fertigung Erla". The new model was to be developed by Erla as an independent design,not connected with the on-going development of Bf109G and K. Reports of the Bf109G and K program (run by Regensburg) therefore did not mention the G-10 model.

Erla Leipzig solved problems of the DB 605D installation easily,partly because there were not many. The Bf 109G-14 framework (i.e. the G-6 with the MW 50 system) was used as the base and the design probably drew on experience with the DB 605AS installation in the Bf 109G-10 in early 1944. Changes in internal structure of the aircraft were not necessary; attention therefore focused on the engine. The DB 605D required more space in the lower part than the DB 605AS due to larger covers being required for the camshafts(for larger, more effective oil suction pumps). Erla designers thus broadened the bottom engine cover and afterwards and also re-modelled the top covers. The new cowling was similar in size to that used for DB 605AS, but assembled from differently modelled parts. The position of oil filling changed (it was moved upwards as the tank's volume increase to 50 litres) as also was that of cold start fuel cock (shifted upwards due to installation of an oil circuit steam trap to the engine). Heed was also paid to the port side, streamlined transition between the enlarged engine cowling and fuselage. The original G-6/AS design, with a curved edge was replaced with an almost square panel of improved streamline characteristics. A larger oil cooler, the Fo 987, also had to be installed for the new engine.



Due to installation of amore powerful engine, the wing coolers had to be enlarged as well; the existing ALF 750B(33d㎡) type was replaced with the larger ALF 907C (42d㎡). The coolers thus corresponded with those installed in the Bf 109K-4. This modification was mentioned in a technical directive of 2nd August 1944 and thus was definitely applied on Bf 109G-10s, though not necessarily all of them. It did not show distinctly on the outside, even though the cooler projected from the wing almost unnoticeably more. Those were all modifications of the airframe and the aircraft in general.



Number of G-10s produced (neubau)

Erla - 1515
MttR - 177
WNF - 356

The first Bf109G-10 were actually made by Erla, and manufactured by the company from September 1944 until the end of war, the company becoming the largest manufacturer of the model. The mother branch in Regensburg concentrated on Production of the new Bf190K-4. Despite that, a small batch - numbering 121 aircraft(the number quoted varies from 120-123 machines)- of the Bf 190G-10 was made between October 1944 and January 1945. It is not quite clear why, possibly due to a temporary surplus of DB605D engines, which could not be installed in Bf109K-4 due to insufficient readiness, or the capacity of its production lines. The engines were consequently quite naturally adapted to the Bf109G-14/AS airframes then being produced. Features of both versions can be found on Regensburg's G-10s and the planes differed from those made by Erla. The "surplus" of DB605D engines was soon solved(full-scale production of the Bf109K-4 started) and the last three G-10 aircraft were made in Regensburg in January 1945.


Bf 109G-10/R6 (Erla)



Erla Leipzig never manufactured the Bf 109K-4 and was involved in the Bf 109G-10 production longest of all the companies. As is was anticipated that the model was to be manufactured by this plant exclusively, numerous design variants occurred on the aircraft. First of all better streamlining of transition from engine cowling to the fuselage on the port side. Instead of a panel with an oval lower edge riveted to the fuselage, designers modified the whole side and the resulting panel was square. Also engine cowlings were brand new design, incorporating different paneling (they were riveted together from sheets of different shapes). The bottom engine cowling was broadened to house the larger covers of the camshafts of the DB 605D. The revisions were better streamlined than the existing two little bulges used on Bf 109G-10, K-4 and G-14/AS airframes made by Messerschmitt at Regensburg, and G-10/U4s manufactured by WNF.

The modifications described above were characteristic of all G-10s and G-10/R6s manufactured by Erla. We have already mentioned early G-10s of batches 490xxx-491xxx, assembled between September 1944 to January 1945; batched 150xxx, 151xxx and some planeds of the 152xxx block followed from December 1944. Similarly to other companies, Erla

[Radoye]

Weren't G-10 and up actually all rebuilds of existing G-type airframes, with the idea to refurbish them to something near the K-type standard? Like a poor man's 109K?

[cpwn]

Even so, G-10 still earn better reputation than K-4.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t22/CPWN/6.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t22/CPWN/711.jpg

[cpwn]

Ki-61-II Kai

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ki-61
http://markkaiser.com/japaneseaviation/hien.html
http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/ki61jg_1.htm
http://markkaiser.com/japaneseaviation/t...iles_2.gif
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t22/C...ntai3a.jpg

[MrGoldfinger]

Some informations about the Heinkel He 177 Greif:


http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv ... anlage.pdf

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv ... %20177.htm

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv ... %20A-3.pdf

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv ... anlage.pdf

I hope somebody is still working on a Heinkel He 177 for our nice Il2 `46 flightsim :wink:

[vanir]

I'm currently researching and gathering documented flight data on the historical Ta-152C series for a new slot Ta-152C-1 and C-3 that actually perform as they should in mid-range and in flight and management characteristics (maximum speed figures are not the concern here, in fact they could be lessened from the in-game model at low alt).

This would not require visual remodelling so much (it'd be nice to have a visual clean up), but for more accurate and historical FM/WM modelling for new aircraft in new slots (ie. no cheats). The current in-game Ta-152C may be considered a rudimentary C-0 prototype.

I've posted data requests at the Luftwaffe Experten website (where a number of specialist Ta-152 series published authors are kicking around lately), and will be purchasing some recent Ta-152 series publications at a city military specialist bookstore later in the week (damn expensive, I hope you guys appreciate this )

I'll get back to this thread posting and referencing celebrated data and confirmed documentation about the flying characteristics of the Ta-152C which is undoubtedly the single most important German fighter type to enter major production mid-1945.

I propose therefore at the onset, reflecting the sentiments of several members at this site recently, the inclusion of full production variants of the Ta-152C-1 and C-3 as modder projects for new slot aircraft with new FM/WMs.

These aircraft types are absolutely crucial for Luftwaffe 1946 speculative simming (as opposed to 1946 fictional simming). It is part of a personal project to further the accurate inclusion of late war Luftwaffe fighter types as opposed to the AI cannon fodder in vanilla Il2.

[luther01]

im no expert, but i agree that the mid-range performance (aceleration to max speed and climb rate) must be off. i noticed this when playing online. (sorry to interrupt)

[psychobob]

Ki.32
http://www.aviastar.org/air/japan/kawasaki_ki-32.php

Ki.45
http://www.aviastar.org/air/japan/kawasaki_ki-45.php

[Fafnir_6]

Hello,

I think we need a few axis transport planes... Particularly those of the Italians:

Savoia-Marchetti SM.75 (built 1937-1943, 94 produced)
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Sm75.html
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Malert/S ... 0063874/L/
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/t/1675
http://www.aviastar.org/air/italy/savoia_s-75.php

Savoia-Marchetti SM.82 (built 1939-1944, 400-850 produced (sources vary))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.82
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/aircr ... anguru.asp
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/t/447/123
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true

Both of these were heavily engaged in the med with the Italians (and later the Germans). The SM.82 was also deployed to the baltic front with the Luftwaffe while the SM.75 was used by hungary.

The SM.82 was also a bomber (a la Ju52 except better).

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[Fafnir_6]

Ju352A-1 transport for the luftwaffe
43 built 1943-1944

This version of the awesome Ju252A-1 used non-strategic materials and while not matching the exceptional performance of the all-aluminium Ju252, provided a huge performance boost over the Ju52. KG200 used almost the entire output of the type. Ju352 production only stopped because Germany switched to all-fighter production. It most likely would have replaced the Ju52 in a war situation like that of the 1946 campaigns. Enough Ju352s survived into 1945 to make them a significant portion of the entire Luftwaffe transport fleet at the end of the war. Plus, it is one of my favorite planes .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_352

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ju352.html

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1912031

http://www.kg200.org/historyac4.html

http://books.google.ca/books?id=JOZZBKF ... #PPA193,M1

http://www.mach2.fr/ju352phg.htm

http://books.google.ca/books?id=AvTgjHw ... #PPA220,M1

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[Aymar_Mauri]

This is intended as being a compreensive list of actual flown aircraft that could be added to the game. I don't expect that most will be included, as some were flown only as prototypes and it might be hard to justify their inclusion, but others are good candidates:



=====Germany=====

Bombers & Reconnaissance:

Blohm und Voss BV222 Long Range Flying Boat (first flown 7th September 1940):

Messerschmitt Me261 Long Range Reconnaissance Aircraft (first flown 23rd December 1940):

Junkers Ju188 Medium Bomber (first flown December 1941):

Focke-Wulf FW191 Medium Bomber (first flown early 1942):

Junkers Ju288 Medium Bomber (first flown summer 1942):

Dornier Do317 Medium Bomber (first flown September 1942):

Messerschmitt Me264 Long Range Reconnaissance Aircraft and Heavy Bomber (first flown December 1942):

Blohm und Voss BV238 Long Range Flying Boat (first flown August 1943):

Heinkel He277 Heavy Bomber (first flown April 1944):


Doubtful:

Heinkel He274 High Altitude Heavy Bomber (first flown summer 1945 under French control):


Fighters & Ground Attack:

Henschel Hs123 Ground Attack Aircraft (first flown 8th May 1935):

Focke-Wulf FW57 Heavy Fighter (first flown May 1936):

Henschel Hs124 Multirole Aircraft (first flown summer 1936):

Focke-Wulf FW187 Heavy Fighter (first flown summer 1937):

Arado Ar240 Multirole Aircraft (first flown 10th May 1940):

Dornier Do217 Heavy Night Fighter (first flown September 1942):

Heinkel He219 Heavy Night Fighter (first flown April 1944):

Messerschmitt Me263 Rocket Powered Interceptor (first flown February 1945):


Doubtful:

Henschel Hs132 Jet Dive Bomber (to be first flown May 1945):

[b]H

[koivis]

It's really sad we have a F-86 sabre which has nothing to do with WWII, but still anyone hasn't made a Ju 88S or Ju 188... which were the best german medium bombers from mid-1943 till the end.

Delivery numbers:
Ju 88S-1 (BMW 801G + GM-1): 72 from 5/43 to 9/44
Ju 88S-3 (Jumo 213A + GM-1): 257 from 6/44 to 11/44
Ju 188E-1 (BMW 801D): 180 from 5/43 to 8/44
Ju 188A-1 (Jumo 213A): 5 in 2/44
Ju 188A-2 (Jumo 213A + MW50): 148 from 3/44 to 9/44
Ju 188A-3 (Jumo 213A + MW50, torpedo version): 50 from 7/44 to 12/44

Total amount of fast and/or heavily armed high-tech late-war Luftwaffe bombers: 329 Ju 88S and 383 Ju 188, total 712 planes. (source: ww2.dk)

How many Ta 152s were ever made? Or Fw 190D-11/13s? Bf 109K-14?

I know that these are a LOT more hard to do than those mentioned above, but are rather important planes, and the LW still lacks an effective late-war bomber.

[JAMF]

It's really sad we have a F-86 sabre which has nothing to do with WWII, but still anyone hasn't made a Ju 88S or Ju 188... which were the best german medium bombers from mid-1943 till the end.

That's quite an achievement, annoying a lot of modders in your first post here.

First: You could use the search
Second: A Ju-88 has been made, but not finished yet for "general release"
Third: Modders make the things they like, not what you want. (Unless you start paying them by the hour, then maybe...)
Fourth: Go whine at 1c:Maddox or Ubi forum, since they omitted it in the first place, but we have a Lerche
Fifth: Welcome to the forum. :roll:

[Chaoic16]

Finally, I am done with my final exam from an university and moving to other place (packed and unpacked my stuff) which is why I wasn't in this forum for over a month. I am going to start adding aircraft information given by each of you into the list slowly, small step a time while I am stil settling down for the summer.

It is good to be back everyone!




Chaoic out...