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Allied WWII experiment and 'what if' 1946 aircrafts
#46

Radoye Wrote:British "1946":

A lot of color 3-views:

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1239

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1293

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=2460

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1129

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1147

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.p ... artid=1367

These are bloody excellent website, I am going to start looking into this!


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#47

I want to ask you about the F-82 Twinmustang. This was a Version of 2 extended P51H Mustang. This could be a good fighter for the Game. Here some Informations form the National Museum of the US Air Force.

NORTH AMERICAN F-82 TWIN MUSTANG

The F-82 was the last propeller-driven fighter acquired in quantity by the USAF. It appears to be two Mustang fuselages on one wing, but in reality it was a totally new design. Its purpose was to provide a fighter carrying a pilot and co-pilot/navigator to reduce fatigue on long-range bomber escort missions. Delivery from production did not begin until early 1946, too late for World War II. After WWII, radar-equipped F-82s were used quite extensively by the Air Defense Command as replacements for the P-61 night fighter.

During the Korean Conflict, Japan-based F-82s were among the first USAF aircraft to operate over Korea. The first three North Korean airplanes destroyed by U.S. forces were shot down by all-weather F-82G interceptors on June 27, 1950.

The National Museum of the United States Air Force has an F-82B on display in its Modern Flight Gallery.


Type Number built/
converted Remarks
XF-82 2 Long-range escort fighter prototype
XF-82A 1 Allison-powered prototype
F-82B 20 First production model
F-82C 1 (cv) Modified F-82B; all-weather fighter
F-82D 1 (cv) Modified F-82B; all-weather fighter
F-82E 100 Improved F-82B; V-1710-powered
F-82F 100 Improved F-82E; all-weather fighter
F-82G 50 Improved F-82F
F-82H 14 (cv) Converted F and Gs for cold weather ops


SPECIFICATIONS (F-82B):
Span: 51 ft. 3 in.
Length: 38 ft. 1 in.
Height: 13 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 24,800 lbs. maximum
Armament: Six .50-cal. machine guns, 25 5-in. rockets, and 4,000 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Packard V-1650s of 1,380 hp each
Crew: Two
Cost: $228,000

PERFORMANCE:
Maximum speed: 482 mph
Cruising speed: 280 mph
Range: 2,200 mi.
Service ceiling: 39,900 ft.


Facts from Wiki:
First Flight: July/06/1945
Production Time: 1946-48
Overall Produktion: 272
First time in Service: January 1946

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#48

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#49

piepmatz Wrote:I want to ask you about the F-82 Twinmustang. This was a Version of 2 extended P51H Mustang. This could be a good fighter for the Game. Here some Informations form the National Museum of the US Air Force.

NORTH AMERICAN F-82 TWIN MUSTANG

The F-82 was the last propeller-driven fighter acquired in quantity by the USAF. It appears to be two Mustang fuselages on one wing, but in reality it was a totally new design. Its purpose was to provide a fighter carrying a pilot and co-pilot/navigator to reduce fatigue on long-range bomber escort missions. Delivery from production did not begin until early 1946, too late for World War II. After WWII, radar-equipped F-82s were used quite extensively by the Air Defense Command as replacements for the P-61 night fighter.

During the Korean Conflict, Japan-based F-82s were among the first USAF aircraft to operate over Korea. The first three North Korean airplanes destroyed by U.S. forces were shot down by all-weather F-82G interceptors on June 27, 1950.

The National Museum of the United States Air Force has an F-82B on display in its Modern Flight Gallery.


Type Number built/
converted Remarks
XF-82 2 Long-range escort fighter prototype
XF-82A 1 Allison-powered prototype
F-82B 20 First production model
F-82C 1 (cv) Modified F-82B; all-weather fighter
F-82D 1 (cv) Modified F-82B; all-weather fighter
F-82E 100 Improved F-82B; V-1710-powered
F-82F 100 Improved F-82E; all-weather fighter
F-82G 50 Improved F-82F
F-82H 14 (cv) Converted F and Gs for cold weather ops


SPECIFICATIONS (F-82B):
Span: 51 ft. 3 in.
Length: 38 ft. 1 in.
Height: 13 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 24,800 lbs. maximum
Armament: Six .50-cal. machine guns, 25 5-in. rockets, and 4,000 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Packard V-1650s of 1,380 hp each
Crew: Two
Cost: $228,000

PERFORMANCE:
Maximum speed: 482 mph
Cruising speed: 280 mph
Range: 2,200 mi.
Service ceiling: 39,900 ft.


Facts from Wiki:
First Flight: July/06/1945
Production Time: 1946-48
Overall Produktion: 272
First time in Service: January 1946

Added to the list, and I am back!

Smile


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Tesla Wrote:[Image: type325Icalledit.jpg]

Added to the list.


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#51

DeAbajo Wrote:Hi, I found the web pages and dig out your wish list... so here is my contribution to it...

Aero A-300 (bomber)

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/itf/ae300.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_A.300

Blueprint

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/a300.html
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/aero_a-300_cl.html
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw2/aeroa-300.html


Letov S-50 (recon)

http://www.deabajo.com/S50_3d.htm

blueprint

http://www.deabajo.com/S50_pic.htm
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/letov_sh-50_cl.html


Praga E.51

http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praga_E-51

Blueprint

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/e51.html
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw2/e51l+k.html


Aero A-300, Letov S-50, Praga E.51 were quite important prototypes (e.g for '38 what if Smile )


Regarding Aero A-104 on your list, this was insignificant experimanal prototype... Smile

regards Martin

Added to the list.

8)


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#52

Although I prefer a/c that actually flew I'm interested in these alternative aircraft powerplants. We already have rocketplanes.. so why not nuclear or steam? :lol:

What if Besler steam plane had gone into production and entered early ww2 as armed variant?

http://www.airbornegrafix.com/HistoricA ... Besler.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6NFmcnW-8

9-cyl steam radial if you wonder what it would sound like Tongue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKGy08OVxyM

Other madcap scheme was the nuclear powered aircraft (and most think that germans had the most crazy ideas :lol: ). I think only X-6/NB-36H would be the only fitting in '46.. hardly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6
http://www.aviation-history.com/article ... erican.htm
http://jpcolliat.free.fr/x6/x6-4.htm

Youtube has 5-part documentary on atomic aircraft;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86zRMehs-A


Last is more conventionally powered a/c.. but I think it's the most crazy one 8)
Submersible aircraft... or is that flying submarine? :lol:

The Ushakov LPL:
http://cosmopark.ru/lpl.html
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/lpl/lpl.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyf3O_SyYQ


>>>-H-K--->
#53

Hurri-Khan Wrote:Although I prefer a/c that actually flew I'm interested in these alternative aircraft powerplants. We already have rocketplanes.. so why not nuclear or steam? :lol:

What if Besler steam plane had gone into production and entered early ww2 as armed variant?

http://www.airbornegrafix.com/HistoricA ... Besler.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6NFmcnW-8

9-cyl steam radial if you wonder what it would sound like Tongue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKGy08OVxyM

Other madcap scheme was the nuclear powered aircraft (and most think that germans had the most crazy ideas :lol: ). I think only X-6/NB-36H would be the only fitting in '46.. hardly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6
http://www.aviation-history.com/article ... erican.htm
http://jpcolliat.free.fr/x6/x6-4.htm

Youtube has 5-part documentary on atomic aircraft;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86zRMehs-A


Last is more conventionally powered a/c.. but I think it's the most crazy one 8)
Submersible aircraft... or is that flying submarine? :lol:

The Ushakov LPL:
http://cosmopark.ru/lpl.html
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/lpl/lpl.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyf3O_SyYQ


>>>-H-K--->

I can't believe you bloody FOUND this, I have been looking for soviet submarine aircraft hybird aircraft for ages and couldn't find information on it! And at the same time, I learned something new and that is about Convair X-6 and same thing goes to steam powered engine AC. I thank you very much for these informationa nd if you have any more, please keep posting them here!

Confusedhock: 8)


Chaoic out...
#54

Never underestimate the power of a bored guy with internet connection :lol:

Besler:
http://wow-really.blogspot.com/2007/01/ ... flies.html

X-6:
Convair NB-36H left nuclear engineer's panel. (U.S. Air Force photo);
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared ... 4S-026.jpg

more photos: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsh ... ?fsID=2556

Article on it's supposed successor NX-2. It has interesting stuff on engines and needed ground support vehicles:
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/05/ ... is=XL#qdig

LPL:
"In the middle 1930- X it is annual in the Soviet Union they approached the creation of powerful navy, which provided for the building of battleships, aircraft carriers and ships of other classes. This stimulated the appearance of the fundamentally new, uncommon technical and tactical solutions. In particular, was proposed the idea to create the apparatus, which combines the properties of submarine and aircraft.

In 1934 the cadet OF VMIU im. Dzerzhinskiy Of b.P.Ushakov presented the schematic design of the flying submarine (LPL), which was subsequently pererabotan and it was represented in several versions for determining of stability and loads on the elements of the construction of apparatus.

During April 1936 in the opinion of the captain of 1 ranks Surina was indicated that Ushakov's idea was interesting and deserves unconditional realization. Through several months, during July, polueskiznyy project LPL was examined in the scientific research military committee (NIVK) and obtained in the positive integer opinion, which contained three additional items, one of which said: "... the development of design it is desirable to continue in order to reveal the reality of its realization by carrying out of the corresponding calculations and necessary laboratory tests..." Among those signed document there were the chief Of nIVKa of voyeninzhener of 1 ranks Of grigaytis and the chief of the department of the tactics of military equipment the flag officer of 2 ranks the professor of potters.

In 1937 the theme was included in the plan of division "into" NIVKa, but after his revision, which was very characteristic for that time, they refused from it. Entire further development was conducted by engineer of division "in" by the military technician of 1 ranks B.P, by Ushakov in the off-duty time.

On 10 January, 1938, in 2- m the division Of nIVKa did take place the examination of sketches and basic tactical-technical elements LPL, prepared by the author, however, that was the project? The flying submarine was intended for the destruction of the ships of enemy in the open sea and in the water area of the sea bases, protected by minefields and checks. Small underwater speed and limited action radius under water LPL were not obstacle, since in the absence of purposes in the assigned square (region of action) boat could itself find enemy. After determining from air its course, it sat down itself beyond the horizon, which excluded the possibility of its premature detection, and it were immersed on the track of ship. Before the appearance of a purpose at the point of volley LPL it remained at the depth in the stabilized position, without expending energy by excess motions.

In the case of that permitted otklo of neniya of enemy from the course line LPL it went to the rapprochement with it, and with the very large deviation of target boat passed it beyond the horizon, then it floated, it took off and again it were prepared for the attack.

The possible repetition of approach to target was considered as one of the essential advantages of the underwater- air torpedo bomber over traditional submarines. Especially effective it had to be the action of the flying submarines in the group, since theoretically three such apparatuses created on the way of enemy the impervious barrier by width to nine miles. LPL could penetrate at night the harbor and the ports of enemy, be immersed, and in the daytime conduct observation, direction-finding of secret fairways and with the opportunity attack. In the construction LPL were provided for six autonomous sections, in three of which were placed the aircraft engines AM-34 a with power of 1000 hp each each. They were supplied with the superchargers, which allowed boosting in the takeoff conditions to 1200 hp the fourth section was habitable, calculated for the command of three people. Control of vessel under water was conducted from it. In the fifth section was located storage battery, in the sixth - rowing electromotor by power 10 l,s. Durable housing LPL was cylindrical riveted construction with the diameter of 1,4 m from duralumin with a thickness of 6 mm. besides the durable sections, boat had wet type pilot's light cab, which with the sinking was filled up with water, in this case flying instruments battened down in the special mine.

Skin it is wing and the tail assembly it was intended to carry out made of steel, and floats from duralumin. Etielementy of construction not were calculated for the increased external pressure, since with the sinking they were heated by the sea water, which entered by drift through the scuppers (openings for the drain of water). Fuel- (gasoline) and oil were stored in the special rubber reservoirs, which were being located in the center section. With the sinking that moving and that discharges the mains of the water cooling system of aircraft engines overlapped, which excluded their damage under the effect of pressure of outboard water. The painting and varnishing of its skin was provided for for the protection of housing from the corrosion. Torpedoes were placed under the outer planes of wing on the special holders. The design payload of boat composed 44,5% of the total gross weight of apparatus, which was common for heavy type machines.

The process of sinking included four stages: the sealing down of motor sections, the overlapping of water in the radiators, the transfer of control into the underwater and transfer of crew from the cab into the crew quarters (central control)."

from: http://www.combatreform2.com/submarinea ... rriers.htm


>>>-H-K--->
#55

Holly crap! Batman.

Warp factor 5, Mr Sulu, gimme more power Scotty!!


PS: thank you for posting the request in the correct thread.
#56

Please see this and think about making it. (with 20mm's maybe...)

http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/...hp?t=15242
#57

Finally, I am done with my final exam from an university and moving to other place (packed and unpacked my stuff) which is why I wasn't in this forum for over a month. I am going to start adding aircraft information given by each of you into the list slowly, small step a time while I am stil settling down for the summer.

It is good to be back everyone!

Smile


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#58

Added XP-40Q-3 to the list.


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#59

Thanks...
#60

MustangNF Wrote:Thanks...

You are very welcomed and if you have any more AC requests, please feel free to keep posting them in one of my four threads with information and materials.

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