[ceege1]

Hi ,

Just wondering. Seeing that we had a fair flurry of Maus's 109 mods recently and he hinted that he was going to work on a new cockpit mod for the framing on the early 109E-1 and E3's.

Hows it coming along?

Are we likely to see this mod anytime soon, as it will be an awsome addition for all the budding 109 jockeys...myself included.
Maybe Maus ,you could fine tune Freddys cockpit mod a little as well. I'm sure there is room to make it even better, I'd have ago myself but I would'nt have a clue where to start...leave it to the experts I say!

Thanks for any update.

[GF_Mastiff]

were you been go look for the updated E1's and E3's he included the update in those 109's

[Flanker35M]

S!

Also contacted to get the Erla Haube, seen on G-6 Late and later models, to be reworked Shall see what happens. Also take a look in the Bf109 cockpit framing in general, it has a serious error on it that has not been looked in to. If you look at the external model of the framing of 109's, the front left and front right windows are incorrect, both sides of windscreen..This is caused partially of the wrong shape of the window framing above the wind screen, up front. They are "bent" as the framing is drawn wrong when they should be flat. Easy to spot if you look a bit from behind and side, the glass is not straight but bent at the top protion. I can not post any pics, but easy to spot if you look at it.

[Guest]

GF_Mastiff; please could you edit your sig so that we don't have to scroll across to read everyones posts? Thanks Sorry gents to intrude on this discussion, but it's hard to read post when you keep having to scroll across. Sorry if I sound rude :wink:

[JAMF]

GF_Mastiff; please could you edit your sig so...

He has a sig?

[Guest]

GF_Mastiff; please could you edit your sig so...

He has a sig?

Yes, I don't mean avatar :wink: You have a sig, my sig is the hornet squadron song

[JAMF]

Yes, I don't mean avatar :wink: You have a sig, my sig is the hornet squadron song

Eh... OK. I only see his system specs and they are on 3 lines. I guess I must have just put his sig in the filter list of AdBlock.

[Muas]

I'll be working on the E-1 interior frame soon, some other things came up in between...

[ceege1]

Great,

Any chance of giving the E cockpits a little tweak as well, the floor is a bit on the sparce side.

Cheers.

[Flanker35M]

S!

We get the new Fw190's, hopefully the new Bf109's and if their cockpits would get a bit of luv then I would be happy

[Flanker35M]

S!

Ok, here some screens to prove my point. First the Erla-canopy that Oleg has modelled to ALL Bf109G-6Late and later marks. It is a NOT a commonly used version, but a very limited number version. In screen the area that should not be there is marked with red X, external model is OK, as it shows the canopy without these metal strips. Removing them would help the Bf109G-6/Late and later models pilots to see up front a bit better. Picture here.. http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php? ... yl&thumb=4

Then the front of the cockpit glazing and cockpit struts. In picture I have rounded area for clarity. If you look at the picture, the framing makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the side windows to be STRAIGHT. They are curved in game when in real life they were not. Just look at plane from a bit rear quarters and use Zoom, you see the glass is bent or bulging. Picture of the area is here: http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php? ... jk&thumb=4

In the cockpit framing picture I have also rounded the MG131-barrels sticking out from the breeches. This arrangement is completely wrong for G-6 and later using the MG131 gun instead of the MG17. This is because the MG17 was fed from BETWEEN the guns thus they were placed like in the screenshot. They had to be so the belt feeding system would fit.

Now the Bf109G-6 and later, that used the MG131, had the guns fed from OUTSIDE the guns thus making it necessary to add the bulges to the side of the fuselage and cowling. Barrels sticked out symmetrically, not as in picture asymmetrically.

As reference I use the visit to Finnish Air Force Museum that has a Bf109G-6, last flight of Messerschmitts in Finland was flown by this particular plane. It is in original condition almost. And the canopy is perfectly clear after 60 years, not yellow. Just a wink

Thank you for reading I hope some modders would take a look in this issue on Bf109. Combined with Muas's Bf109's..heaven!

[Flanker35M]

S!

Bumping this..there should be some Bf109 enthusiast around?!

[Flanker35M]

S!

Another bump for the Bf109 and correcting the windshield/front side windows 3D shape error. Basically the windshield is a bit narrower, the sidewindow structure is curved outwards, towards the canopy structure. Reference picture here http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/ ... AS_top.jpg This would correct the shape of the sidewindows and put them in the right angle. A pretty please?

Easy to spot the error in the screenshot. Here is a link to modelling page showing it correctly, trying to find a better picture. Also note the THINNER structure of the Erla canopy compared to what we have in game! http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/ ... ewbg_1.htm

Also a reference to the metal strips we have, picture of a Finnish Air Force Bf109G-6 with Erla Haube. Not seen on this canopy at all, as it was a rare modification! Reference picture here http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/walkaroun ... 1mo-39.jpg

[rossmum]

Regarding your point about the transparency of the canopy, I agree... the canopies of combat aircraft (especially fighters) were cleaned meticulously, almost religiously after every single sortie or in times where the aircraft had been left to stand. To see was to live and even the slightest bit of muck or the smallest scratch could end in disaster.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I agree. I work with military jets and we clean and treat the windshields regurarly and during summer even more due a lot of bugs etc squashing against the windscreen So why would WW2 mechs be any different in this matter. And as you can see of the pic of the Finnish Bf109G-6, the canopy is CLEAR..not yellow even it is over 60 years old..Go figure!

About the 3D model of the Bf109 cockpit frames. Does not take a Sherlock Holmes to see it is wrong. I hope some modder would fix it to be accurate and the G-6Late/later marks Erla Haube to be stripped from the metal strips we have. I bet it is a smaller project than making a totally new cockpit for an AI plane Maybe Ranwers could take a look or Muas or Waggel? Please?