[Ion_Milu']

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[Spinnetti]

Looks like it might have been a better bird than the 109 overall (less landing accidents for sure with better gear and much lower wing loading). A bit of Spit, an bit of LA kinda, and you can bash one together...

[Ion_Milu']

yap, miht had been safer than the me 109 in landings, but the 109 was lighter and more powerfull.

[Billfish]

Just a quick note, yet the Ki-61-II had significant changes made to it well beyond just a simple engine and canopy......Fact of the matter is very few were ever built (I believe 79 with engines, 2 with teardrop canopy (need to check my numbers)), and many of those along with the numerous airframes were converted to Ki-100's in that the engines had troubles.

WHat was produced in great numbers in fact the most produced Ki-61 of the war which we do NOT have was the Ki-61-Tei/1d.....That one is much closer to the existing Ki-61's, and though no boost in performance was by far the Ki-61 most encountered past New Guinea.

K2

[TinyTim]

yap, miht had been safer than the me 109 in landings, but the 109 was lighter and more powerfull.

Well that's true only if you compare the initial, He-112A version with Bf-109. But here we are discussing a later, completely redesigned He-112B, that saw combat action in WW2 here. If you compare this later He-112B with contemporary Bf-109B which uses the same engine, picture becomes completely different:

He-112B:
Engine: Junkers Jumo-210 680 HP
Speed (ground level): 430 km/h
Speed (optimal altitude): 510 km/h
Climb: 700 m/min
Range: 1100 km

Bf-109B:
Engine: Junkers Jumo-210 680 HP
Speed (ground level): 420 km/h
Speed (optimal altitude): 470 km/h
Climb: 600 m/min
Range: 700 km

Add a much better view from the cockpit and cannon armament, and you have the winner.

Comparing He-112B from 1937 with later models of 109 isn't really fair, since they were using engines with 50% more power.

Looks like it might have been a better bird than the 109 overall (less landing accidents for sure with better gear and much lower wing loading).

Well, just because it has elliptic wings it does not mean they are big. He-112B is one of the rare WW2 fighters with wingspan shorter than lenght of the plane! Its wings are not much bigger than 109's, and thus with somewhat higher mass its wingloading is pretty much comparable to 109s:

He-112B:
Wing area: 17m2
Empty mass: 1621kg
Weight/wing area: ~ 95kg/m2

Bf-109B:
Wing area: 16.40m2
Empty mass: 1500kg
Weight/wing area: ~ 91kg/m2

WHat was produced in great numbers in fact the most produced Ki-61 of the war which we do NOT have was the Ki-61-Tei/1d.....That one is much closer to the existing Ki-61's, and though no boost in performance was by far the Ki-61 most encountered past New Guinea.

Hey Kelly,

Apart from rearanged weapons (two Ho-5 cannon above the engine and two Ho-103 HMGs in the wings), and slightly longer nose (190mm, to accomodate larger ammunition for nose weapons), was there any other differences from previous models (significant enough to be modelled)? BTW, do you have any source on the ammo count for this version (I'd guess it's the same as on Ki-100, but that's just a guess).

[jzoopster49]

I agree that the He-112B would be a good addition, since it was employed operationally by Hungary, Romania and Spain (the Japanese use was purely experimental). However claims that it was "better than" the Bf-109 and should have been mass produced for the Luftwaffe miss an important point. The He-112B would not have had the capability to grow into the series of new engines and armament packages that allowed the Bf-109 to remain an effective first-line fighter until 1944-45. The He-112B was a last ditch attempt by the Heinkel concern to turn an abject disappointment (the He112A) into something approaching the Bf-109 or Spitfire in concept. Although slightly better than the (by now older and already in service) Bf-109B-D series, it would have been inferior to the Emil. Had the Germans adopted the He 112B it would have had a fighter much like the Hurricane, Dewoitine, or Curtiss P-40 - one of the best in 1939-40, but obsolescent in 1941-42. Only another complete redesign would have kept it at the forefront.

Regarding the Ki-61II, I am surprised it was never in the original Il-2, let alone modded. It was better than any of the Ki-61I models in the game, and was also better-looking, with its longer nose.

[TinyTim]

I agree that the He-112B would be a good addition, since it was employed operationally by Hungary, Romania and Spain (the Japanese use was purely experimental). However claims that it was "better than" the Bf-109 and should have been mass produced for the Luftwaffe miss an important point. The He-112B would not have had the capability to grow into the series of new engines and armament packages that allowed the Bf-109 to remain an effective first-line fighter until 1944-45. The He-112B was a last ditch attempt by the Heinkel concern to turn an abject disappointment (the He112A) into something approaching the Bf-109 or Spitfire in concept. Although slightly better than the (by now older and already in service) Bf-109B-D series, it would have been inferior to the Emil. Had the Germans adopted the He 112B it would have had a fighter much like the Hurricane, Dewoitine, or Curtiss P-40 - one of the best in 1939-40, but obsolescent in 1941-42. Only another complete redesign would have kept it at the forefront.

I agree completely, the only thing I was trying to point out was a dangerously incorrect statement of one of the posters who compared the early 109 and 112A. Dangerous in a sense that if we ever get the He112B in the game, it might in error be given the poorer performance of the 112A. He-112B was superior to 109 Brunos and Caesars, He-112A was indeed inferior. The A and B were very very different, I'm surprised they didn't give the B a new number. Much of the confusion in such cases emerges from similar designation of different planes. All I was trying to do was to emphasize how different the planes really were, even by looks:

He-112A:



He-112B:




It would however be interesting to see how a He-112 would compete with 109E. Of course only if it would have been fitted with comparable 1200hp class engine. As I already said you can't compare 112B with 680hp with an Emil with 1175hp.

[Blackbaron]

The He 112 -B was even with its "limited" 700 hp engine a excellent Dogfighter in 1940.
In fact she was superior to Hurrican I and Me 109 D and still a hard match for a Me109 E-1 or Spitfire MK1 .... ( The Spit MKI had no fuelinjection for it

[danzigzag]

Don't know if you all know, but the original designer of the P-47's for the IL-2 series was a Brazilian fellow who got into modelling. While he was developing the P-47 models and cockpits, he was also developing the He-112, but nothing ever came of that.

Perhaps he still has something that could become a model as a MOD.

Unfortunately that was years ago, and I don't have the details anymore.

DZ

[MrGoldfinger]

[quote="Blackbaron"]...

Just a look at the best Fighterprototypes of Heinkel...

1.) He 178 ( Prototype 2 was read for 2 MG )

2.) He 280 ( Three 20mm Guns in the nose)
In a Showfight it outperformenced a FW 190 A even in curving !!! and 800 km/h topspeed in 1942 !
( Almaost 20 Prototybes ... wasn

[Blackbaron]

Hi Pilots !

My first Projekt ... the He 112-B/E is now WIP ....

just first steps,..but Il do my best to modifie the 3D modell. The canopy & the Skin will be updatet as soon as possible...lol

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[Blackbaron]

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[MrGoldfinger]

This is a good statement... the He 112 in WIP!!!