[FZ]

Other than the more detailed start up sequence..

And Freddies beautiful F86 cockpit

What does the HISTOMOD 'add' to HSFX4.1 that HSFX4.1 does not already have?

For example

With the stock HSFX4.1 you could have loaded up zuti 1.1 and the Korean map and flown the F9F

So why install the HISTOMOD?

Especially when you consider the fact that you can dl the standalone version of Freddies F86 cockpit separately and install it in HSFX4.1

Is there a full/detailed list of the things this mod 'adds' or 'changes' along with the 'conflicts' it has with existing HSFX mods so folks can review that list before they dl it to see if they think it is worth taking the chance?

Always as thankful and positive as usual ACE-OF-ACES ....

I strongly believe you should consider using your "delete" key and forget about Freddy's mods for the rest of your life ....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Always as thankful and positive as usual ACE-OF-ACES ....

Why thank you FZ! S!

[FZ]

... absolutely no reason at all to thank ME, I only translated the read-me, which is nothing compared to the time and dedication Freddy devoted to his Korea Mod and F86 pit (he is currently finishing the Mig 15 pit ...)

But YOU apparently DLed and tested HIS FREE WORK, the least you should have done (if I am right) is THANK HIM for sharing it...

It now looks like you don't like it to the point that you are publically wondering if there's any need to DL and use it, and of course nobody is compeled to even DL it (I didn't 'cause I don't fly jets..), so please use your "delete" key and forget about it all ...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Oh, sorry.. I thought you were thanking me for asking the questions wrt the detailed list of additions, changes, incompatibilities.

In that kind of info would help the mod community as a whole decide if they really need to dl this mod

To replace the existing HSFX Korean jets, maps, etc in the stock version of HSFX

As for the rest of your post..

Know this..

I don't care one bit about what you think I should or shouldn't do with the HISTOMOD

At the same time

Know this

I think it is only fair that if a mod maker, like Freddy, is going to refer to other mod makers work here at AAA as arcade

Well than he should have to provide some sort of proof to support that statement

Your mileage may, and clearly does vary on that note.

To each his own

But my request for a detailed description of the additions, changes and incompatibilities is far from out of line

Where as your post is out of line

SAVVY?

Now if you have any other personal attacks directed at me, may you be so kind as to spare the rest of the users in this forum your dribble and simply PM me, where I can ignore them in private and thus spare this thread and the readers of this thread your little temper tantrum

Thanks in advance!

[FZ]

... Now if you have any other personal attacks directed at me, may you be so kind as to spare the rest of the users in this forum your dribble and simply PM me, where I can ignore them in private and thus spare this thread and the readers of this thread your little temper tantrum

Thanks in advance!

... attack YOU ...?? Jeez I ain't that dumb as to even think of performing such a hopeless act !! I saw your pics at SAS you know ... frightful ... and trust me me that 'd be such a waste of time ....

I ain't good at all at attacking people you know, suffice to read ALL my posts here or at SAS (under the name of Mick) or at Histomod, or at De l'Histoire

[ACE-OF-ACES]

So what part of the using the PM system to continue your hissy fit do you not understand?

On that note

To any mod

In light of FZ not being able to figure out the PM system here at AAA

Would you be so kind as to del all of his posts on page 3

Starting with his inital hissy fit about me asking a simple question as to wether or not there is a detailed list of additions, changes, incompatibilities.

In that I hate to see that reqest go un-answerd due to a few lemmings that get upset with anyone for asking a question

Thanks in advance!

PS feel free to del all my post on page 3 too, in that they all pretian to FZ hissy fit and have nothing to do with the topic at hand

[FZ]

... I guess I am too shit scared to even dream of being lured into your PM box .... :oops:

Since I ain't Freddy and as I wrote it, didn't DL the Korea pack myself, I am very sorry that I can't answer your questions ...

WHO wrote " What does the HISTOMOD 'add' to HSFX4.1 that HSFX4.1 does not already have?

For example

With the stock HSFX4.1 you could have loaded up zuti 1.1 and the Korean map and flown the F9F

So why install the HISTOMOD?

Especially when you consider the fact that you can dl the standalone version of Freddies F86 cockpit separately and install it in HSFX4.1

Is there a full/detailed list of the things this mod 'adds' or 'changes' along with the 'conflicts' it has with existing HSFX mods so folks can review that list before they dl it to see if they think it is worth taking the chance?"

and you accuse me of ruining this post ...!!! How DARE you ???

[ACE-OF-ACES]

... I guess I am too shit scared to even dream of being lured into your PM box .... :oops:

On that note

Im going to take the high road here

And simply ignore your current and future silly posts

And cross my fingers the mods here can del all your sillyness before this thread is totally ruined

PS FZ no amount of editing your last post is going to allow you to spin your attacks.. I ask a simple question.. Sorry if questions upset you.. But that is your problem not mine.. And you being upset does not give you the right to attack other people for asking questions

[FZ]

... I guess I am too shit scared to even dream of being lured into your PM box .... :oops:

On that note

Im going to take the high road here

And simply ignore your current and future silly posts

And cross my fingers the mods here can del all your sillyness before this thread is totally ruined

... and I am the one supposed to be attacking YOU...?? !!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I'm 99% sure most adults would think it is 'silly' for someone to get 'upset' at someone else for asking a question

Especially silly to be so upset that they felt the need to attack the person that asked the question

On that note

I ask what does HISTOMOD add that HSFX does not already have in that I am not seeing it..

As I pointed out you can fly an F9F on the Korean map

So clearly I don't understand what there is about the HISTOMOD that makes it worth DL and replacing what we already have

Is there another map added by the HISTOMOD?
Is there new planes added by the HISTOMOD? (i.e. new planes not tweaked existing planes or frankin F4us)

In that it would have to be something pretty cool for me to take a chance at messing up my current install (air.ini, buttons, etc)

In that as I noted, the more detailed start up sequence and bail out is not something I am that interested in, but if there is more to it than that than I would like to know

HENCE MY QUESTION

Any of that sinking in?

Take a deep breath, count to ten and read it again slowly and I think you will agree you are reading way too much into my question. That is to say you are taking this way to personal! Your acting like I called your dog ugly or something!

[FZ]

Im 99% sure most adults would think it is 'silly' for someone to get 'upset' at someone else for asking a question, to the point that they flet the need to attack the person that asked the question

... I am afraid here is your problem ACE ...

You come here at Freddy's thread and the "innocent" question you ask is " So why install the HISTOMOD?"

ACE I challenge you to find a single word in my "silly" posts that shows I "attacked" you, I am afraid it would be too easy for me to prove the contrary ...

May I remind you of your attitude in Freddy's previous thread about his 1.1 Korea pack to the point that a modo, Moggy, had to ask you SEVERAL times to leave it there ...??

Now that everybody here has understood that apart from Freddies (as you spell his name) beautiful F86 cockpit there is no need according to your 99% sure opinion to run the risk of ruining one's, install why don't you put and end to your constant attacks at Freddy's mods ?????

Do you happen to know him ??? Why such hatred ????

PS : as for my post editing I was writting while you were posting as it often happens ...

You just wrote :

"In that as I noted, the more detailed start up sequence and bail out is not something I am that interested in"

Then why are you wasting your time and talent here ???

Can't you just imagine for a second that OTHER PEOPLE MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS MOD ...??

You also just wrote :

"Your acting like I called your dog ugly or something!"

Freddy ain't my dog he is my FRIEND if this word has a meaning for you ....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Im 99% sure most adults would think it is 'silly' for someone to get 'upset' at someone else for asking a question, to the point that they flet the need to attack the person that asked the question

... I am afraid here is your problem ACE ...

You come here at Freddy's thread and the "innocent" question you ask is " So why install the HISTOMOD?"

ACE I challenge you to find a single word in my "silly" posts that shows I "attacked" you, I am afraid it would be too easy for me to prove the contrary ...

May I remind you of your attitude in Freddy's previous thread about his 1.1 Korea pack to the point that a modo, Moggy, had to ask you SEVERAL times to leave it there ...??

Now that everybody here has understood that apart from Freddies (as you spell his name) beautiful F86 cockpit there is no need according to your 99% sure opinion to run the risk of ruining one's, install why don't you put and end to your constant attacks at Freddy's mods ?????

Do you happen to know him ??? Why such hatred ????

PS : as for my post editing I was writting while you were posting as it often happens ...

You just wrote :

"In that as I noted, the more detailed start up sequence and bail out is not something I am that interested in"

Then why are you wasting your time and talent here ???

Can't you just imagine for a second that OTHER PEOPLE MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS MOD ...??

You also just wrote :

"Your acting like I called your dog ugly or something!"

Freddy ain't my dog he is my FRIEND if this word has a meaning for you ....

I ask what does HISTOMOD add that HSFX does not already have in that I am not seeing it..

As I pointed out you can fly an F9F on the Korean map

So clearly I don't understand what there is about the HISTOMOD that makes it worth DL and replacing what we already have

Is there another map added by the HISTOMOD?
Is there new planes added by the HISTOMOD? (i.e. new planes not tweaked existing planes or frankin F4us)

In that it would have to be something pretty cool for me to take a chance at messing up my current install (air.ini, buttons, etc)

In that as I noted, the more detailed start up sequence and bail out is not something I am that interested in, but if there is more to it than that than I would like to know

HENCE MY QUESTION

Any of that sinking in?

Take a deep breath, count to ten and read it again slowly and I think you will agree you are reading way too much into my question.

That is to say you are taking this way to personal!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

While we are on the subject of questions

I thought I would run the numbers on the HISTOMOD 1.1 vs HISTOMOD 1.3 using SJacks zinfomod

Here is what I found

From HISTOMOD 1.1

Real world Data vs. IL-2 data with regards to the HISTOMOD 1.1 F-86A rate of climb

As you can see, Freddy's F-86A climbs much better than a real F-86A

How much better?

Well here is two ways to measure that

ROC ERROR from HISTOMOD 1.1

As you can see, at SL it climbs ~2,600fpm BETTER than a real F-86A

ROC PERCENT ERROR from HISTOMOD 1.1

As you can see, at SL it has a % error of ~34% and increases to 57% at 35kft

Now lets take a look at the new and improved HISTOMOD 1.3

Real world Data vs. IL-2 data with regards to the HISTOMOD 1.3 F-86A rate of climb

As you can see, Freddy's F-86A still climbs much better than a real F-86A, as a mater of fact it has got even better since 1.1

How much better?

Well here is two ways to measure that

ROC ERROR from HISTOMOD 1.3

As you can see, at SL it climbs ~3,250fpm BETTER than a real F-86A, that is up from the ~2,600fpm better in 1.1

ROC PERCENT ERROR from HISTOMOD 1.3

As you can see, at SL it has a % error of ~42% and increases to 69% at 35kft, that is up from the 34% and 57% error in 1.1

So, now I am really wondering what the HISTOMOD adds, changes, and or is incomparable with

In that it would have to be something really cool for me to justify looking past these arcade FM values

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Here are some other graphs that, I dont have RWD for comparsons (except the ROC)

But, you might find interesting and may help others figure out what is wrong with the FM











PS note the strange 'glitch' in the turn rate with full flaps.

[FZ]

"So, now I am really wondering what the HISTOMOD adds, changes, and or is incomparable with"

...because you were not wondering for real right from the start ...??

OK ACE, you've got your point, now that you came back with your beloved curves and thanks to your 99 % sure belief, I am 1% sure thousands of AAA members will avoid wasting their time DLing the Histomod and thus run the risk of fucking up their install ....

So will you now be so kind as to stop here, and let the crazy AAA members who would be that dumb as to give the Histomod a risky try, run the risk of flirting with the sheer extasy feeling of disobedience ...