22.11.2007, 11:39
I think you're being far too judgemental, far too early. :?
It's self-defeating to insist that because Oleg never modelled a certain plane, it must never be introduced by other means. Once mesh modding reaches a high standard - to the point where new planes can be as good as IL2 originals - you will all presumably change your opinion?
Or is this really an online FM debate? New aircraft will require new FMs and I personally would be content to leave that to respected people here - I don't fly online and I have no interest in cheating myself. But I know onliners feel differently about the Pandora's Box of FMs.
It is very early days for this kind of thing and if Ranwers can achieve what he has in just three weeks of experimentation then an authentic Typhoon (correct in all dimensions and contours) is surely less than a year away. Frankly, if it looks like a Typhoon and it sounds like a Typhoon and it flies like one, then as far as IL2 is concerned, it is a Typhoon.
What are we saying..... that someone has to spend 3 months working in 3D Studio Max from first base before we are allowed to accept a new aircraft into the sim? Anything less is unacceptable? I don't understand such puritanism.
It's just silly if the same result can be achieved by cleverly manipulating meshes that already exist in the game. That incidentally, is precisely what Mr Jolly and Wasy have been doing to create cockpits and turrets for non flyables - the only difference is that this time someone has done it for an external.
What about a 109T? They saw a lot of action over Norway and the island of Heligoland. All that is required is to extend the wingtips of an E7. But according to the naysayer's ethos that wouldn't be allowed, because it would mean stretching an existing external mesh.
Don't misunderstand me: in my view, the Typhoon as presented is not ready to be offered as a mod. However, we shouldn't urinate on the efforts of a talented modder just because he tries something radical. An effort to cajole Mr Jolly to take sides is a bit snide and unnecessary. The buzz about this site stems from the fact that the shackles are (partially) off at last and more creativity can now be poured into the game. Please don't try to put them on again.
I'm content to trust the judgement of Jolly et al in not allowing crap mods to get through the net. Historic aircraft made to a high standard should be allowed.
It's self-defeating to insist that because Oleg never modelled a certain plane, it must never be introduced by other means. Once mesh modding reaches a high standard - to the point where new planes can be as good as IL2 originals - you will all presumably change your opinion?
Or is this really an online FM debate? New aircraft will require new FMs and I personally would be content to leave that to respected people here - I don't fly online and I have no interest in cheating myself. But I know onliners feel differently about the Pandora's Box of FMs.
It is very early days for this kind of thing and if Ranwers can achieve what he has in just three weeks of experimentation then an authentic Typhoon (correct in all dimensions and contours) is surely less than a year away. Frankly, if it looks like a Typhoon and it sounds like a Typhoon and it flies like one, then as far as IL2 is concerned, it is a Typhoon.
What are we saying..... that someone has to spend 3 months working in 3D Studio Max from first base before we are allowed to accept a new aircraft into the sim? Anything less is unacceptable? I don't understand such puritanism.
It's just silly if the same result can be achieved by cleverly manipulating meshes that already exist in the game. That incidentally, is precisely what Mr Jolly and Wasy have been doing to create cockpits and turrets for non flyables - the only difference is that this time someone has done it for an external.
What about a 109T? They saw a lot of action over Norway and the island of Heligoland. All that is required is to extend the wingtips of an E7. But according to the naysayer's ethos that wouldn't be allowed, because it would mean stretching an existing external mesh.
Don't misunderstand me: in my view, the Typhoon as presented is not ready to be offered as a mod. However, we shouldn't urinate on the efforts of a talented modder just because he tries something radical. An effort to cajole Mr Jolly to take sides is a bit snide and unnecessary. The buzz about this site stems from the fact that the shackles are (partially) off at last and more creativity can now be poured into the game. Please don't try to put them on again.
I'm content to trust the judgement of Jolly et al in not allowing crap mods to get through the net. Historic aircraft made to a high standard should be allowed.