27.12.2007, 18:19
Even a week ago, i was anti DM/FM modding.. now, i've 'modded' my way of thinking.
The ONLY way, we can have our cake, and eat it too, is crawl inside the mind of Oleg, and figure out his code in-depth enough, to make as others have suggested, V.5.0 'modders special'. Some sort of third party tweak, that makes connecting up a V.5.0 client to any other version impossible.
I'm not suggesting someone re-write Punkbuster .. Obviously even Oleg doesn't have the manpower/skills to keep his own code secured even with a 'beta hack fix V.4.09b1 (modders reaction "huh? that was easy") .. but perhaps understand the java classes well enough, and plug in a reference that *only* modded versions will have..
Don't expect me to do it though. I'm a social worker, not a code monkey.
Will it be a another LAL_ROne or Josse, among us? How about Wazy, or QTim himself, again?
Is it possible in some way to have our cake and eat it too, to make the code 'uniquely modder friendly' - in some manner?
Gentlemen 's (ladies?) agreements to 'do the right thing' don't really float the boat when all it takes, is One Clown cheating online, to blow the scuttling charges and sink AAA's reputation anyway. Cheating is gonna happen regardless, the FM/DM issue is going to be a constant spectre, no matter the agreed upon version used - The One Clown problem again. Cheating has been an issue for a lot longer than first hint of the QTim mod was known, anyway.
No going back now, the genie is out of the bottle, and not getting stuffed back in, for better or for worse.
Sorry, but i too want my 4.09 cake.. I look forward to opening up my gaming computer tonight, and taking a look-see at the 200 (?) odd new objects, and checking out the other 'changes'. Hard to pass all that up, when V.4.09 moddable is within reach this easily.
Will i use it to cheat? Nope. Will someone else use it to cheat? Perhaps.. I can't control what others will do, however. I can control what i do - but i'll be damned if i get told what to do by a bunch of moral High-Roaders on the opposite side of an issue, not willing to reason.
Like FA_Cheech sorta says, lets just STFU and enjoy, at this point.
The ONLY way, we can have our cake, and eat it too, is crawl inside the mind of Oleg, and figure out his code in-depth enough, to make as others have suggested, V.5.0 'modders special'. Some sort of third party tweak, that makes connecting up a V.5.0 client to any other version impossible.
I'm not suggesting someone re-write Punkbuster .. Obviously even Oleg doesn't have the manpower/skills to keep his own code secured even with a 'beta hack fix V.4.09b1 (modders reaction "huh? that was easy") .. but perhaps understand the java classes well enough, and plug in a reference that *only* modded versions will have..
Don't expect me to do it though. I'm a social worker, not a code monkey.
Will it be a another LAL_ROne or Josse, among us? How about Wazy, or QTim himself, again?
Is it possible in some way to have our cake and eat it too, to make the code 'uniquely modder friendly' - in some manner?
Gentlemen 's (ladies?) agreements to 'do the right thing' don't really float the boat when all it takes, is One Clown cheating online, to blow the scuttling charges and sink AAA's reputation anyway. Cheating is gonna happen regardless, the FM/DM issue is going to be a constant spectre, no matter the agreed upon version used - The One Clown problem again. Cheating has been an issue for a lot longer than first hint of the QTim mod was known, anyway.
No going back now, the genie is out of the bottle, and not getting stuffed back in, for better or for worse.
Sorry, but i too want my 4.09 cake.. I look forward to opening up my gaming computer tonight, and taking a look-see at the 200 (?) odd new objects, and checking out the other 'changes'. Hard to pass all that up, when V.4.09 moddable is within reach this easily.
Will i use it to cheat? Nope. Will someone else use it to cheat? Perhaps.. I can't control what others will do, however. I can control what i do - but i'll be damned if i get told what to do by a bunch of moral High-Roaders on the opposite side of an issue, not willing to reason.
Like FA_Cheech sorta says, lets just STFU and enjoy, at this point.