[Jaypack44]

exactly! (though I would add something about if the plane lost an entire wing or its tail assembly-since that pretty much kills it too :wink: I have had instances though, where I have had half a wing shot off, and if I had had more altitude (I prefer to dogfight usually under 1000 feet-it makes things interesting...), I'm sure I would've been able to recover control of the plane. Or when I have an engine on fire, and make it all the way back to base only to crash on landing :evil: So yes, I see exactly where you're coming from.