B-25H could use waist gunner graphics, the J model has them
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Billfish Wrote:
stansdds Wrote:Fearfactor is correct, the B-25H waist positions were identical to those on the B-25J. I think the majority of B-25G's had these waist positions as well as the tail stinger design of the H and J installed as field modifications.

Not so sure about the "G"'s, as their top turrets were located far back. What they seem to have are very small windows or ports like all before them very near the tail that seem to have guns shoved out of them. Really a very impractical place to have a weapon and I can't imagine it was of much use.

That said I did run across a "D" with side blisters (though the gun more centrally mounted and no plexiglass)....The trouble with that arrangement is you'd have 3 men sanding one next to the other it most likely a VERY cramped position. So if that was the case then it I suppose possible some "G"'s might of had them as well.

In the end that the trouble with B-25's in that they were most likely one of the most field modified aircraft there were.....Numerous varients and possibilities of each model. The trick then being to either "add" new planes or determine either the factory varient, or the most widely made as to simply load up a plane with all the best making all others the same shifting the balance once more.

(as an ex. it's unreasonable to do a late 43 NewGuinea mission with all "J" B-25's, heavily armed defensively so making it very difficult for those in say Ki-43 unfairly)........So if all versions are incorrectly made such, might as well just have "J"'s.

K2

Some units began adding waste guns in the field to the B-25C/D by simply removing the plexiglass from the small window in the aft section of the fuselage (between the dorsal turret and tail cone) and installing a machine gun. This small opening certainly would not have allowed much of a field of view, was close to the vertical and horizontal stabilizers and would have had a very restricted field of fire. Other units cut a large square out of the fuselage just forward of the dorsal turret, a much better position and greater field of fire.

I have three or four photos of B-25G's in the field with the forward waste position present. One photo clearly shows that it is just an opening in the fuselage, but the others appear to be factory style blisters that look exactly like those on the J model. The B-25H had the dorsal turret moved forward to maintain the center of gravity with the factory addition of the waste position. Typically, there would be only one waste gunner and he was also the radio operator.
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