[ACE-OF-ACES]

Now that I think about it a bit more, George, the original poster was complaining about Avenger out turning A6M, with both pilots live, not AI versus live.

With two live pilots, we have the big variable of pilot skill, plus we really don't know fuel onboard of each aircraft.

Bingo

Which is also the problem with most if not all combat pilot reports

In that combat pilot reports by their vary nature are only half of the story

Even if you were comfortable with ignoring half of the story, combat pilot reports hardly if ever contain enough information to recreate the scenario in-game to set up a test

Which is why I prefer the information from a test report done by a test pilot and crew

In that test pilot reports by their vary nature contain enough information to recreate the scenario in-game to set up a test

But I digress

Back to the topic at hand

Looking at IL2Compare to see what it says about the Avenger Turn Rate..

Best turn times at 1km in degrees per second (dps)

Avengers
17.70 dps TBF-1c
17.20 dps TBM-3

ZEROS
21.25 dps A6M2-21
18.50 dps A6M2N
22.25 dps A6M2
21.25 dps A6M3
21.25 dps A6M5a
21.00 dps A6M5b
18.50 dps A6M5c
18.65 dps A6M7 model 62
19.50 dps A6M7 model 63

Assuming the percent difference holds at all altitudes (which it typically does) it should be clear that the Avenger(s) can NOT turn with let alone out turn the ZERO

Therefore what the original poster is 'seeing' is the difference due to one if not all of the following; e-states, aircraft status, pilot skills and last but not least someone using a cheat

Which is not to imply that I think the Avenger turn rates are simulated correctly or incorrectly

To make such a call you would need real world data to compare to and/or apply general aerodynamic principles to come up with some values to compare to.

Without that your simply fooling yourself if you think the changes you or anyone else did makes the flight model more realistic/accurate

In that in such cases all they have manged to do is trade on mans, or one groups opinion of how it should fly for another man or groups opinion

And 'opinions' is not what flight model changes should be based on!

Nuff said?