14.03.2009, 00:52
I trust kurfurst's website on actual wartime G-6 performance because he has so much historical documentation about it. I asked him quite a few questions at one point.
iirc he says the G-6 is undermodelled in regards to the 1.35ata restriction for the 605A until Oct43 when the full 1.42ata was permanently cleared (it was taken off for a while following the death of Marsielle in his G2 afaik, early 605A flamed when overheating so boost lowered till fixed). The difference between these ratings are 1475PS or 1550PS outputs at low altitude.
The turn time of the G-6 ought to also be slightly better. And according to documentation there is much less impact on speed with the MG131/bulges and also when carrying MG151 gondolas, its something like 8km/h here and 12km/h there tops. The smoother cowling of the G6AS/G14AS/G10/K4 confers something like only 4km/h penalty (without MW50 boost) with the MG131 over the G2 at same engine output/altitude for test, if memory serves (test performed on stock early G6 trying out both cowling styles).
iirc Kurfurst basically described the G6 late as being modelled for 1475PS and the G6 early a step back from that benchmark, whereas it should've been applied the other way around. ie. the G6 early in game should have the performance of the late, and the late should be a little better.
Hope I remembered all that right.
I don't think it's such a big deal though, I really enjoy the game without noticing this too much. When you think about it the Soviets didn't really put the latest models in service everywhere immediately, they had so many squadrons to fill, so you'd see a La-5FN in 1944 really, before then just La-5 and La-5F, same with Yak-9, there were still plenty of Yak-7 until 1944 and there were lots of variations on Yak-9s that lost a little loaded performance (Yak-9D, DD, T, B).
Plus during 1943 the Fw-190A was really the star of the show anyway, and that year the Luftwaffe really switched to supporting ground operations only, following Kursk I've read they couldn't even win local air superiority for numbers, regardless of enemy types.
But even so some German pilots are quoted as saying the current (G5-6 and A5-6) fighters in 1943 were "at least as good as any of the newer Allied models" appearing over northern France.
I guess if you only fly the 109s and I also love them, little details like this stick out, so does the MK108 in G10 and G14 (which most still had MG151), or the 601A engine in the E7 (most were routinely 601N motors, some got 601E), or the E7Z (all were 601N motors but this is really modelled poorly, and it ought to have 1200PS/2600rpm at 6500m with GM-1). Not to mention the 601A has a 1min emergency (take off) engine speed of 2500 u/min, the 601N of course 2600 u/min for I think 5min max. The E-4 I think mostly had 601Aa engine but some of these were even fitted with 601N, and some were upgraded E-3 with 601A. The Aa motor was very good for jabos as it had better take off and low altitude performance than the A-1 motor.
In game I would have E-4 with A-1, E-4B with Aa, E-7 with N and E-7Z with N/GM-1.
Plus where is the F-4Z/trop (GM-1, larger propeller, plus I think this actually used the 601N, was used extensively in Africa alongside F-4/trop with 601E).
But what it comes down to is what modders would rather mod. Their time after all. They did the 190A-3 and D-11/13 so I guess eventually everything will get covered, we have to be patient about all the what-if planes, new additions and korean era or whatnot is all. Eventually they'll come back to the old favourites and the regular 109/190 will get the full treatment.
iirc he says the G-6 is undermodelled in regards to the 1.35ata restriction for the 605A until Oct43 when the full 1.42ata was permanently cleared (it was taken off for a while following the death of Marsielle in his G2 afaik, early 605A flamed when overheating so boost lowered till fixed). The difference between these ratings are 1475PS or 1550PS outputs at low altitude.
The turn time of the G-6 ought to also be slightly better. And according to documentation there is much less impact on speed with the MG131/bulges and also when carrying MG151 gondolas, its something like 8km/h here and 12km/h there tops. The smoother cowling of the G6AS/G14AS/G10/K4 confers something like only 4km/h penalty (without MW50 boost) with the MG131 over the G2 at same engine output/altitude for test, if memory serves (test performed on stock early G6 trying out both cowling styles).
iirc Kurfurst basically described the G6 late as being modelled for 1475PS and the G6 early a step back from that benchmark, whereas it should've been applied the other way around. ie. the G6 early in game should have the performance of the late, and the late should be a little better.
Hope I remembered all that right.
I don't think it's such a big deal though, I really enjoy the game without noticing this too much. When you think about it the Soviets didn't really put the latest models in service everywhere immediately, they had so many squadrons to fill, so you'd see a La-5FN in 1944 really, before then just La-5 and La-5F, same with Yak-9, there were still plenty of Yak-7 until 1944 and there were lots of variations on Yak-9s that lost a little loaded performance (Yak-9D, DD, T, B).
Plus during 1943 the Fw-190A was really the star of the show anyway, and that year the Luftwaffe really switched to supporting ground operations only, following Kursk I've read they couldn't even win local air superiority for numbers, regardless of enemy types.
But even so some German pilots are quoted as saying the current (G5-6 and A5-6) fighters in 1943 were "at least as good as any of the newer Allied models" appearing over northern France.
I guess if you only fly the 109s and I also love them, little details like this stick out, so does the MK108 in G10 and G14 (which most still had MG151), or the 601A engine in the E7 (most were routinely 601N motors, some got 601E), or the E7Z (all were 601N motors but this is really modelled poorly, and it ought to have 1200PS/2600rpm at 6500m with GM-1). Not to mention the 601A has a 1min emergency (take off) engine speed of 2500 u/min, the 601N of course 2600 u/min for I think 5min max. The E-4 I think mostly had 601Aa engine but some of these were even fitted with 601N, and some were upgraded E-3 with 601A. The Aa motor was very good for jabos as it had better take off and low altitude performance than the A-1 motor.
In game I would have E-4 with A-1, E-4B with Aa, E-7 with N and E-7Z with N/GM-1.
Plus where is the F-4Z/trop (GM-1, larger propeller, plus I think this actually used the 601N, was used extensively in Africa alongside F-4/trop with 601E).
But what it comes down to is what modders would rather mod. Their time after all. They did the 190A-3 and D-11/13 so I guess eventually everything will get covered, we have to be patient about all the what-if planes, new additions and korean era or whatnot is all. Eventually they'll come back to the old favourites and the regular 109/190 will get the full treatment.