05.04.2009, 06:43
The reason I dropped out of this fm discussion here is simply that I dont have the time to play this "dodgeball" all day long, there's a real life to take care of from time to time. And yes we can play this "my graphs show this" "but mine show these" game for days and weeks but to which concensus?
If you really dont like how I modelled these 2 new G-6s then you're not at all forced to use them!
Some more thoughts about the test data you posted:
![[Image: R_G1_kurven.jpg]](http://kurfurst.org/Performance_tests/109G_Rechlinkennblatt/R_G1_kurven.jpg)
Note how it says "Steig- und Kampfleistung"? That clearly shows that these tests were NOT performed at WEP which is referred to in German as "Start- und Notleistung"! So 650km/h at non-Wep can easily be 666km/h at WEP...
And there is a "Steig/Kampf" and "Start/Not" rating for both 1.3ata and 1.42ata meaning that "Start/Not" at 1.3ata does not relate to 1.42ata effectively.
![[Image: glce2-109g6.jpg]](http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/glce2-109g6.jpg)
Have a look at the G-6 table! It even says "Vmax Not am Boden" (=Vmax WEP at sealevel) = 570km/h. Thats even 40km/h higher than what I have modelled right now, be thankful for that
Anyway I cant imagine that the G-6 actually reached that speed at sealevel with the ordinary DB605A when in 1944 a G-14 with 1800PS at takeoff was barely doing the same!
And then look at "Vmax Not V.H" (=Vmax WEP at full throttle height) = 650km/h. Thats what the 2 G-6s go up to now instead of the old, undermodelled 630 & 635km/h!
About the F-4, G-2, G-6 turn times:
You yourself stated that the F-4 took about 19,6secs for a full turn... a G-2 about 20,5secs
Now between these 2 aircraft lie about 200kg of weight (2830kg for the F-4, 3030kg for the G-2) and we only get a difference in turntime of about 1 second. Now if we remind ourselves that the G-6 is in turn just an odd 70kg heavier than the G-2 it would be a very pessimistic guestimation that its lowest turn time is 22secs, 21secs is far more reasonable!
All I did when correcting these flight models was adjust aircraft weights, based on the ingame G-2 weight so now the G-6s are both around 100kg (actually more than should) heavier than the G-2 as well as rectify the ludicrous supercharger ineffectiveness that was given to its engine (in contrast to the G-2s DB605A). It was not at all in my intention to make it an uber aircraft but instead give it a little more justice that it deserved since the very beginning of IL-2.
If you really dont like how I modelled these 2 new G-6s then you're not at all forced to use them!
Some more thoughts about the test data you posted:
Note how it says "Steig- und Kampfleistung"? That clearly shows that these tests were NOT performed at WEP which is referred to in German as "Start- und Notleistung"! So 650km/h at non-Wep can easily be 666km/h at WEP...
And there is a "Steig/Kampf" and "Start/Not" rating for both 1.3ata and 1.42ata meaning that "Start/Not" at 1.3ata does not relate to 1.42ata effectively.
Have a look at the G-6 table! It even says "Vmax Not am Boden" (=Vmax WEP at sealevel) = 570km/h. Thats even 40km/h higher than what I have modelled right now, be thankful for that
Anyway I cant imagine that the G-6 actually reached that speed at sealevel with the ordinary DB605A when in 1944 a G-14 with 1800PS at takeoff was barely doing the same!
And then look at "Vmax Not V.H" (=Vmax WEP at full throttle height) = 650km/h. Thats what the 2 G-6s go up to now instead of the old, undermodelled 630 & 635km/h!
About the F-4, G-2, G-6 turn times:
You yourself stated that the F-4 took about 19,6secs for a full turn... a G-2 about 20,5secs
Now between these 2 aircraft lie about 200kg of weight (2830kg for the F-4, 3030kg for the G-2) and we only get a difference in turntime of about 1 second. Now if we remind ourselves that the G-6 is in turn just an odd 70kg heavier than the G-2 it would be a very pessimistic guestimation that its lowest turn time is 22secs, 21secs is far more reasonable!
All I did when correcting these flight models was adjust aircraft weights, based on the ingame G-2 weight so now the G-6s are both around 100kg (actually more than should) heavier than the G-2 as well as rectify the ludicrous supercharger ineffectiveness that was given to its engine (in contrast to the G-2s DB605A). It was not at all in my intention to make it an uber aircraft but instead give it a little more justice that it deserved since the very beginning of IL-2.