[miker8]

thx for the reply m8's, ...i know already how water4,5 looks like [ Potenz ,think its water3 , water4,5 has white cuffs on my screen], i've got a nvidia gtx280 so everything is in perfect settings all maxed out no stutters, but my question was, can the newer ati cards ...or do anyone know a new ati card that give you the same graphics as nvidia does, was already reverring to the upcomming newest ati radeon 5870 [dx11], i mean water4,5 is renderd by shaders 4, i cann't believe that the newer ati cards cannot handle shaders4, i'm also curious because i like the ati cards for their 'value for money' the nvidia cards are overpriced