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UP uses different FM's for some of the new MOD aircraft than what HSFX has, at least in UP 2.0. On that point, I guess we all can watch what the future brings.

Gryphon took the time to capture data for the UP modded FM's.
They are in IL-2 Compare format and can be found at http://www.warbirdsofprey.org/wopDownlo ... pack20.zip
IL-2 Compare itself can be found at e.g. http://war.by-airforce.com/downloads/il2c407m.rar
Original UP thread discussing the FM's is here: http://il2ultrapack.net46.net/index.php ... 097.0.html

I took this for a test and looked at the FW-190 datasets, both stock models and modified UP FM's.
The difference is unbelievable.
According to the data taken by Gryphon, one should be able to successfully engage a FW-190 A-4 1.42 using a B-29SP (despite maybe the roll rate, but the same tactics like for the Spit VB should do the trick).
All the other modified FW-190's show the same strange turning performance, while the stock FW's seem to be like they used to.

Take a look yourself:


I'm not quite sure whether Gryphon's performance data is correct (don't have time to test it atm), but if so, any discussion about those FM's realism is pointless.

Best regards - Mike

So maby first before you screaming everywhere how bad and wrong is UP 2.0 and their team are so bad guys you would like to check these facts?
You should note that Gryphon has old version of soft which are making some errors in IL2 diagrams? You would be know these if you would check these facts manualy. Its really not such hard take these A-4 1.42 Ata and test its performance manualy?

The one is sure UP Team dont make dream FM's and wonderfull planes. We try to make it in historical accuracy based on avaliable original suorces first.
I repeat one more for these which are blind: UP TEAM DONT CHANGE FM/DM OF STOCK PLANES.

Yes we change some DM values for some engines thoughtnes data for NEW ADDED PLANES WITH NEW FM's for more logical and realistic values. Stock P-51s and also made by AAA have engine thoughtness value set for "350" - these same value which is use by radial engines in game e.x. like Fw 190A or P-47. We corrected only such obvious things. Do you think that P-51 engine has the same resistance like radial engines for P-47 or Fw 190 ? If so i really have no pointless to diccusion with you about anything.

I could say more the same engine used by stock Spitfire MK IX has only " 70" value. Moreover these DM corrections made in new ones planes ( i repeat for blinders NOT STOCK ONES) are not easy to detect in game but there are far more logical and accurate then stock ones .

UP create new standart planes which are not just copied sotck ones with only some diffrence in perforamcne ( like speed or climb) . We create some new standart planes wich we belive are much more close to their RL counterparts. We really said stop for new UFO planes - we have many of them in stock ones.


And here is true performance for UP 2.0 Fw 190 A-4 1.42 Ata ( made in Crimea Map).


A-4 1.42 Ata UP 2.0 vs A-4 Stock


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