05.01.2010, 14:09
I'm not going to indulge the debate of who's mod is better than who's. I've been simming since before EAW and have been involved in modding since that time. Every flight sim that was cracked or open to mods has had these very same arguments. EVERY ONE!
I have been invloved with IL-2 since before UBiSoft was chosen as the publisher. Some of you may remember that BlueByte was going to be the original publisher when we all applied to be the original beta testers and we all worked with Oleg from the start about what could and couldn't be done with this sim.
The previous administration here at AAA released a number of mods that had some errors. The current AAA mod team has released some mods with errors. Oleg Maddox at 1C released patchs and updates with errors. With every group that created anything for this sim, they eventually update or correct something that was released. Discussing who is better than who is a complete waste of time and effort. It sounds like a bunch of children arguing in a school yard. What we should do is have a "community quality control" forum with plenty of testing before anything is released. To benefit everyone. Not just one mod group or another.
I'm not too partial about any particular mod group. I work most closely here at AAA because they helped me understand modding, generate real mods and have a lot of talent here.
What I see is that AAA, SAS, HSFX, etc... make the majority of the actual mods. "UP" is more of a compilation of most everyone elses mods with very few of their own. "UP" then looks at everyone elses mods, that they didn't create yet include in their own compilation, and then pick it apart and make their own adjustments before any of the original modders have a chance to release a followup with their own corrections if needed, instead of working with the rest of the community to achieve some sort of real unity.
With that said, I've seen some of the UP debates about what a particular planes curve look like compared to a completely different plane in the game. This doesn't make any sense. Any plane should be compared against the best available real world data for that particular plane. Having an opinion about how a particular plane against another is just that. Building a plane based on actual data is the goal here at AAA. We don't base our plane build on how we feel or how it should perform against another.
Now to FM's and EMD's. I've seen UP debate certain values in the FM's and EMD's (engine files). The question or critiques they have appear be out of ignorance of either the actual aircraft data or how the game uses the information in these files. Even the world's most advanced flight simulations, full scale full motion simulators, have to "adjust" certain variables to achieve the desired result because of the limitations of either computing power or available code to model aerodynamics. There isn't a computer yet built that can fully model the environment and all the aerodynamic variables required for a 100% accurate FM. We have to do the best we can with the available code in the game.
Personally I think threads like this one are a travesty that only divide the efforts and unity that these small communities need. Any future threads that start comparing one mod team against another should be locked immediately or erased. They serve no USEFUL purpose.
I'm not all knowing or know everything about this sim but these are my observations and opinions.
Cheers!
BB
I have been invloved with IL-2 since before UBiSoft was chosen as the publisher. Some of you may remember that BlueByte was going to be the original publisher when we all applied to be the original beta testers and we all worked with Oleg from the start about what could and couldn't be done with this sim.
The previous administration here at AAA released a number of mods that had some errors. The current AAA mod team has released some mods with errors. Oleg Maddox at 1C released patchs and updates with errors. With every group that created anything for this sim, they eventually update or correct something that was released. Discussing who is better than who is a complete waste of time and effort. It sounds like a bunch of children arguing in a school yard. What we should do is have a "community quality control" forum with plenty of testing before anything is released. To benefit everyone. Not just one mod group or another.
I'm not too partial about any particular mod group. I work most closely here at AAA because they helped me understand modding, generate real mods and have a lot of talent here.
What I see is that AAA, SAS, HSFX, etc... make the majority of the actual mods. "UP" is more of a compilation of most everyone elses mods with very few of their own. "UP" then looks at everyone elses mods, that they didn't create yet include in their own compilation, and then pick it apart and make their own adjustments before any of the original modders have a chance to release a followup with their own corrections if needed, instead of working with the rest of the community to achieve some sort of real unity.
With that said, I've seen some of the UP debates about what a particular planes curve look like compared to a completely different plane in the game. This doesn't make any sense. Any plane should be compared against the best available real world data for that particular plane. Having an opinion about how a particular plane against another is just that. Building a plane based on actual data is the goal here at AAA. We don't base our plane build on how we feel or how it should perform against another.
Now to FM's and EMD's. I've seen UP debate certain values in the FM's and EMD's (engine files). The question or critiques they have appear be out of ignorance of either the actual aircraft data or how the game uses the information in these files. Even the world's most advanced flight simulations, full scale full motion simulators, have to "adjust" certain variables to achieve the desired result because of the limitations of either computing power or available code to model aerodynamics. There isn't a computer yet built that can fully model the environment and all the aerodynamic variables required for a 100% accurate FM. We have to do the best we can with the available code in the game.
Personally I think threads like this one are a travesty that only divide the efforts and unity that these small communities need. Any future threads that start comparing one mod team against another should be locked immediately or erased. They serve no USEFUL purpose.
I'm not all knowing or know everything about this sim but these are my observations and opinions.
Cheers!
BB