17.02.2010, 22:46
Freddy, some ideas on your ideas:
First: I can not tell you how happy I am to hear you admit you were wrong about ZINFOMOD results! It takes a big man to admit he made a mistake and I can admire that. I'm just glad I was able to help you come to this realization by providing the track files from a real fly test that collaborated the ZINFOMOD results, and thus proved ZINFOMOD takes into account the Java changes you made. Granted, it took you a little longer than most, but that is neither here nor there, all that really maters is that you now understand how useful the ZINFOMOD by SJack is in identifying errors in the flight model.
Second: With that behind us now we can move forward and work together to obtain the most realistic flight models possible. But at the same time we have to remember we will not always agree on everything!
Take the importance of the rate of climb for example. You said that I have forgotten that there is more things to a flight model than the rate of climb, on the contrary, I am well aware of all the things that make up a flight model, and being aware of all those things realize that the rate of climb is one of the most, if not the most, important aspect of the flight model when it comes to the performance of the plane. Anyone that if familiar with the modern energy methods of aircraft performance analysis knows that excess power is the key to predicting an aircraft's performance, and the rate of climb is the WWII method of getting a feel for the excess power of a plane.
Also take the importance of pilot quotes, you put alot of value in what 'a' pilot has to say. Ill say this about pilots, in general, there is a good reason that aerospace engineers, like myself, took/take the time to install instruments to record the performance parameters of a plane. Simply put pilots make terrible measuring devices. Which is not a ding on pilots as much as a realization of the limitations of human in general. Humans simply can not be calibrated well enough to obtain accurate and/or repeatable results wrt aircraft performance. Let alone the fact that if you have 10 different pilots fly the same plane the same way that you will end up with 10 different stories. In short, for every pilot you can find that says it 'feels right' there is another pilot out there that will say it 'feels wrong'.
Third: You made references to the HSFX F-86 as 'my mod', I can not take any credit for that mod! That mod was done by PeterD and Lt.Wolf!
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As you can see, all I did for them is the same thing I did for you! I did a real fly test that showed their MiG15 rate of climb was too large (60m/s instead of 50m/s) which was later confirmed by ZINFOMOD.
So, using your line of reasoning 'your mod' would be 'my mod' too!
Anyway, I am glad to see your coming around and I am looking forward to working with you in the future.
S!
First: I can not tell you how happy I am to hear you admit you were wrong about ZINFOMOD results! It takes a big man to admit he made a mistake and I can admire that. I'm just glad I was able to help you come to this realization by providing the track files from a real fly test that collaborated the ZINFOMOD results, and thus proved ZINFOMOD takes into account the Java changes you made. Granted, it took you a little longer than most, but that is neither here nor there, all that really maters is that you now understand how useful the ZINFOMOD by SJack is in identifying errors in the flight model.
Second: With that behind us now we can move forward and work together to obtain the most realistic flight models possible. But at the same time we have to remember we will not always agree on everything!
Take the importance of the rate of climb for example. You said that I have forgotten that there is more things to a flight model than the rate of climb, on the contrary, I am well aware of all the things that make up a flight model, and being aware of all those things realize that the rate of climb is one of the most, if not the most, important aspect of the flight model when it comes to the performance of the plane. Anyone that if familiar with the modern energy methods of aircraft performance analysis knows that excess power is the key to predicting an aircraft's performance, and the rate of climb is the WWII method of getting a feel for the excess power of a plane.
Also take the importance of pilot quotes, you put alot of value in what 'a' pilot has to say. Ill say this about pilots, in general, there is a good reason that aerospace engineers, like myself, took/take the time to install instruments to record the performance parameters of a plane. Simply put pilots make terrible measuring devices. Which is not a ding on pilots as much as a realization of the limitations of human in general. Humans simply can not be calibrated well enough to obtain accurate and/or repeatable results wrt aircraft performance. Let alone the fact that if you have 10 different pilots fly the same plane the same way that you will end up with 10 different stories. In short, for every pilot you can find that says it 'feels right' there is another pilot out there that will say it 'feels wrong'.
Third: You made references to the HSFX F-86 as 'my mod', I can not take any credit for that mod! That mod was done by PeterD and Lt.Wolf!
viewtopic.php?t=21363&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120
As you can see, all I did for them is the same thing I did for you! I did a real fly test that showed their MiG15 rate of climb was too large (60m/s instead of 50m/s) which was later confirmed by ZINFOMOD.
So, using your line of reasoning 'your mod' would be 'my mod' too!
Anyway, I am glad to see your coming around and I am looking forward to working with you in the future.
S!