[RedChico]

My German is not that good

Even though my grand mother and grand father on my mothers side came from German between WWI and WWII and my great grand mother and great grand father on my fathers side came from Germany before WWI (read Bloodline wise I am a full blooded German)

That and I don't exactally know what you mean by wich (which) one they are?

What this has to do with it? you still haven't answered my question.

Nothing secret about them

You can find them at severl sites on the web

So instead of me just giving them to you

This is a good opertunity for you to apreicate some of the things I have to do to produce a document

You go find them and than maybe you will have a little more apreication for all the work that goes into what I do

There out there

Lets see if your smart enough to find them

So, all you care about is the work, the slavery work, did i get that right? God forbid someone would find you secret ways of get sources, i bet you would feel completely loss.
Yes i could, but Warbirds are not my speciality and i'm already behind you (LIKE I SAID BEFORE, NOT A GRUDGE), i search the Internet and read books about Tanks and Warships, i rather apreciate your skills in gathering all that precious data.

But wait, no no no... your arrogance excedes even your pride in show others you knowledge.
Unlike me, i'm happy to spread the word about tanks/warships about their stories how their are great or suck, how they were made, how well they were used, etc....

What do you mean by references?

Can you be more specific?

But of course, references... i mean the speed/climb graphs you pasted on your "analisys", i bet they were part of a bigger thing (like a report, maybe?) and from what i read from Tank/Warship related material they usually have a serial number, name of department and so on, just like professional report, no flowers, no special font, no using templetes from NACA.

See i can also write stupid remarks, just like you do.

A1 I found them on the web
A2 The document number is displayed on the graph
A3 I don't know of anyone that owns it
A4 This is not from a book the author is most likly a group of German test engineers

Oops, shame, my friend, you haven't responded yet, read above about reports.

Well clearly you like so many others did not bother to read the pdf I provided before commenting on it

How sad

From section 6 REALISM RATING SUMMARY

I'm sorry but you couldn't be so wrong, because i read it 3 times just to make sure that you wrote any reference or bibliography, but no.... not even a word about it.

Section 6, yes yes, i know what you mean you are ONLY talking about those graphs, what about the rest?
I know from Tank/Warship related material that ACTUAL test were made to confirm the calculated data, for speed, turn radius, drive speeds and much much more.

Because i'm not arrogant i can tell, for example, that:

- armour penetration values for german tank guns from Internet and books are all from American and English tests (made against their steel, generally their best Homogenous steel).
- That all (naval, airforce, army) german guns of 20mm and above had High Explosive filling in their AP rounds, unlike most allied countries that only used solid shots right until 4 inch guns.

And i can tell you that i found it on Panzer Tracts, the Encyclopedia of German AFV's of WW2, WW2 weapons (all books).

Yes I get it

Your still upset with me for pointing out your errors in the past (read holding a grudge) and that your dont read something before commenting on it (read running your pie hole)

No you didn't and you still insulting, nice going mate.