[Fireskull]

My "dream FM set" would contain two FMs for each plane in doubt: One which is historical accurate and one which perfectly matches the FMs of contemporary opposite planes. This could, of course, fall together in one single FM if it is both historical correct and matches the opposite side at the same time (which mainly comes true for early war aircraft). None of the sets would have to bother about issues regarding the other set. The historical correct planes might outclass opposite ones or might be outclassed by them, you just don't have to care, since if you want to have the perfect match, you could choose the second set which doesn't care for historical accuracy.
I guess this will remain my dream and not that many of us do share it either.

Storebror, this automatically causes me to wonder how many people want to degrade IL-2 into an arcade game for kids and how many pilots want improvement on the historical realism of the flight models for amazing combat in IL-2. Keep in mind that the flight model experts associated with AAA have affiliations with real world airmen [airpersons] and other aviation experts.

We must honor the integrity of aviation in general and history in specific for the benefit of all and for the sake of our own conscience. We gravitate toward the interests of aviation integrity instead of the sloppy ways of appealing to arcade style flight models.

that did not stop UltraPack from claiming to have a more accurate P-51 flight model.

Yes, you're right, I know this endless discussion from over there.
Some people do have a distinctive need for recognition. It's not that easy to me, but finally I can live with that.

(UP Standard Atmosphere discussion thread thing...) Can you belive that?

Yes... well...
I guess that these endless fights between AAA and UP have come to a point where it's simply time to say "we disagree", sit back for a few months and let things calm down, drink a lot of and try to come together again then.
I don't mind to argue, I even like discussions lasting 20 pages or more, but if it spreads across 3 forums and some dozen threads, it's too much for me.

We all know that AAA and UP generally disagree on the flight models. It really is a matter of whether UP will accept better flight model evaluation and test methods. Will reason win or will pride win in their minds? Will sound, scientific methods be embrassed or will denial and stagnation continue in flight model examination? What are the consequences of them attracting people who accept lower standards? What are the consequences of our team attracting people who appreciate progressive methods of flight model evaluation? What are the future effects of these things?

Will our team become more integrated with 1C and Team Daidalos standards while UP becomes more integrated with the arcade style fans? I believe that our team will continue to take the moral higher altitude.

One of my hopes is that the civility of how we go about this might allow the superior principles to contribute to the maturing of the IL-2 youth.

Part of the issue with our team as compared to UP is the age and maturity factors-enough said. I am glad that the young ones take interest in IL-2 for the sake of aviation but I will not compromise on supporting inferior flight models and their inadequate methods.

We have a core of true experts here who combine IL-2 flight model skill with principles of success. It might just be that UP is simply outclassed in flight model tests but they are yet to accept outside expertise.

Regardless, this team will expand its evaluation of flight models with objective, and effective, methods. The strength of this movement with AAA as the outlet for publication will continue to provide more credible data on flight models, with or without UP.

In the long term, the true founders and leaders of the combat flight simulation will take notice of those who accept sound Research, Testing, and Development standards. These are the ones who will be respected and see their work become officially included in future creative releases for publication.

For this reason, perhaps it is inevitable that our team distinguish itself above the self-declared rival team.