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:lol: Enough with the weak analogies! If you must so post them, at least make sure they actually work. Your car one: IL2 is like a great car collection contributed to by a few (let us say -- rich in talent and for the sake of this money) but used by many, many people. Many say thank you. Many contribute toward the utility bills. But at the end of the day, it is the few who are increasing the collection. Lots of stuff from the 30s and 40s in this collection. The owners. They want some 50s stuff. No one objects. They decide to get some cars from the times when they were still working out what worked for a car. So we now see ww1 stuff. Everyone somehow feels that it's the same era and period as the 30s and 40s stuff. BUt, some of these users, who view the collection and take the stuff for test drives, they wonder, perhaps we could move into the 60s and beyond. Well, most of the few reckon it might be hard to learn how to restore such cars, some like the idea; some have already, under wraps, been learning anyway. But a significant minority of the people who view the car collection take offence to this and now object at every opportunity.

ANd now continually attempt to impede any progress that might be made, by continually using any thread they see on the subject as an opportunity to say the same negetive stuff about how "IL2 is a ww2 sim!!" We understand, we know it was originally. But you argument falls apart entirely from the fact that 1) you don't have to use the mods you don't like; 2)We have WW1, post war and korean stuff now -- how can you say "yeah, well.... my point still stands.."? 3)It's up to modders, not you anyway. Some people seem to not understand or accept that. I myself cannot see how the expansion of this sim and the boundaries of what it can realisitcally portray is a bad thing at all.

I point all chaps to Howlin's post. I think it eloquently and succinctly says it:

ive been watching the forum for some time, you guys...jeez. i remember the day when AAA was a friendly site, you didnt have people flaming this badly, none of it, all that would happen if a thread like this came up was it was put in spray and pray, and it would be chatted over, now its all flame flame flame. those that are ww2 purest, have to face the fact il2 is no longer a pure ww2 sim its expaned to ww2 and korea, and dont be suprised if it goes to vietnam, and likewise those that want complex avionics fast movers need to tone it down abit as alot of guys who have been playing the sim from the start have been eagly awaitng much needed ww2 planes. Bottom line is everyone needs to chill out and theres a few posters in this thread who arejust adding fuel to the fire (you kow who you are) eitherway, just stop the flaming.

Finally, as I keep having to say,
Gents, make constructive comments, keep them civil, or please don't post.

Well that is all nice, but I do hope you agree that if the pro jets or now-a-day planes fans may voice their opinions that those that prefer the vintage models may have their say too? I think we can agree that IL2 is something special, but there is a fear that it could go cfs, and when one is at the stage of asking for F-14 Tomcats and Starfighters, at least I am of that opinion (but maybe I am just a old fart who does not trust some) that one is not far from asking for Doc Browns DeLorean DMC-12 or freakier.