[ACE-OF-ACES]

The following is provided for those that are seeking answers and info to make informed decisions..

That is to say I am not replying to Anto as much as I am replying to those who may be reading this thread to point out Anto omissions and errors

Before we begin, take note that Anto did not address, let alone refute anything that I said.

This is a typical tactic used by those who wish to take the focus of the thread off the subject at hand.

And thus his post is not worth addressing either.. Just more of the same weak atempts to try and take the focus off the topic at hand.. Im sure if pressed he to would try to use the lame excuse that 'He can't be bothered to explain everything' or 'He rather not disclose information' as if to imply he is some how more special than the rest of us

Aces, have you ever considered the possibility that 4.11 won't support mods? It has been threatened by members of TD in the past and considering the difficulty the modding community has had adapting to 4.101m, I would not be surprised if they pursued this route. In addition, who even said that a 4.11 patch will come out? TD have advertised they are working on some features, but remember that 4.10 came out a year late AND the amount of issues it caused to even stock games were significant. So I would not expect a 4.11 patch anytime soon.

As for UP3.0 being incompatible with the 'stock' version of the game, well every UP, HSFX, even UI, has been incompatible with the stock version of the game. That is nothing new. What you are kicking a fuss up about is the talks that the major modding sites are not going to support future official patches. I can tell you now as a senior member of SAS, this is not 100% the case. If 4.11 requires minimal work to adapt to mods, then we will use it. If it causes the absolute clusterf*ck of issues that 4.10 had OR TD lock the patch, then we have no choice but to split off our development. To put it simply, our decision is based entirely on what TD decide to do. It won't be our decision that splits the community, but theirs.

Lets consider the Il-2 community. There are a few who are convinced that mods are evil, buggy or waste of time, so they will not be affected by TD's decision. Then there is HSFX, who are a small bunch of dedicated people who play SEOW (and would like to remain that way without excess advertising), Histomod (again, small dedicated bunch) and then the vast majority are distributed between UP, SAS and related sites. As for online play,the majority of large servers and squadrons use UP, followed by stock (with a few SEOW servers and occasional Histomod after that). If TD locks 4.11, stock game is fine but ALL modding packs will be affected. Hence it would be in the communities best interest for the major packs to abandon the official patches and work on improving what they have (which in quality and quantity already far exceeds TDs efforts, especially considering sound packs, effects and wide screen support). Why waste the time and effort working on an official patch when the 'official' team don't want you to? Again to reinforce my point, it is up to TD. If they want to split the community, they can. UP and SAS have opted to keep an open mind and adopt whatever best fits our community interests.

Considering that you praise yourself on being a 'fact finder', I'm amazed you have drawn some pretty incorrect conclusions based on the information freely available. I sense a bit of old 'I don't like UP' bias in your post And most of all, a lack of understanding of what it actually takes to prepare a pack like HSFX or UP. I wouldn't be surprised if HSFX jumped off official patches if TD made it too difficult to mod 4.11

Now SAS and UP appreciate that you next time check your information and not post inflammatory remarks across the community. Oh and whilst most people would be happy for free advertising, the SEOW crowd really don't want every man and his dog interfering with their campaign, so probably lay off pumping HSFX to everyone :wink: And I'm sure even Deutchemark doesn't appreciate one of his own trying to start a flame war at his own site.