18.05.2013, 14:23
yes it is quite useless to discuss anything with someone that is ONLY worried about people's 'style' of writing. (Beo shakes head sadly.) a style of writing has nothing to do with valid points made or truths uttered. rather taking exception (in endless repetition) of a 'style' of writing or talking is merely a DODGE to try and make light of and/or circumvent such valid points and truths. in other words if by pulling attention AWAY from what is said by repeatedly concentrating upon a speaker's delivery style...you are 'attempting to misdirect and focus on trivial things of no certain meaning or consequence. such is...spin-doctoring. a sort of 'coin trick' like a magician might make when misdirecting his audience from the fact that he didn't really make the coin disappear but rather slid it up his sleeve or into the other hand.
such has always been the backbone of the SAS true believers mantra.
and yes, many people...in particular people that have done me wrong and or hate me (the bulk of the SAS administration and their lackeys) for whatever reason often say that 'my' particular style of writing is aggressive... well, so what? possibly my style is aggressive because THEY disagree with my words and rather than counter them (because they cannot) seek merely to Spin-Doctor what I say into something I did NOT say? yes, that is quite possible and in fact is true.
everyone reading this will see that as ton says... Ashe here doesn't seek to address any 'real' issue or issues brought up by everyone else, merely his responses are ALWAYS geared to haggle on 'small' and unimportant points... a slight of hand, a misdirection... where again as ton and DM point out ends up being some sort of 'justification' for the thousands of SAS wrong-doings.
in other words 'let's not deal with the fact that the SAS did (and continue to do) those bad things... instead, let us concentrate on 'why' they did them and 'what' gave them the right to do them ...which will ALWAYS be something along the line of, 'It was Beowolff's fault!'
d'oh! :-?
it should be mind-boggling to any upright person that any 'one' man (such as I) can be so detrimental and destructive to an entire SITE full of admins such as over at the SAS. :-?
and yet when they are attacking DM and stealing DM's work or banning him...then suddenly it is DM's fault.
or when they are slighting/abusing/stealing from ton it must be 'tons' fault.
and Texx's fault. and dino's fault. and Ice-Eagle's fault. and so on down the line to near infinity.
always always when they (the SAS) do bad things...it is SOMEONE ELSE'S fault "WHY" they had to do it.
yes, it always boils down to that whenever the SAS screw us over as they constantly do... then ALWAYS somehow 'we had it coming.'
and somehow that outlook always gives the SAS the right to do even more to us. the fact that we respond to THEIR aggression and wrongs and do not let them walk all over us is even wrong and evidently gives 'them' even MORE rights to continue to do even more wrongs to us. any sane and 'thinking' man or men can see this for what it really is and understand the fundamental 'wrongness' of that sort of justification.
all of us here and at the FM site understand friendship and loyalty, and we understand pride too. and yet NONE of us are blindly obedient to the point that our friendship and loyalty to each other takes on the girth of overpowering/unswerving adherence and obedience to leaders and the doctrine of leaders that would have us make-up justifications for things done wrong to other people. and that is the main underlying difference between the AAS, FM...and the SAS. and no doubt has been the main 'problem' all along. they DEMAND blind obedience to their silly-ass cult. we, on the other hand 'ask' only for friendship, fairness and civility as ALL men should expect from their fellows.
I guess it is like trying to mix oil and water... our two viewpoints just don't work.
I too was once under the 'swoon' of the SAS doctrine, and I for one am ashamed that I allowed them to twist my viewpoint and alter my outlook to the point of where, like any mean-assed thirteen year old I made fun of people that I did not know, mistreated people I had no business mistreating, and sat about in the treehouse talking DOWN about others and agreeing to fundamentally WRONG strategies. the actual breaking point for me was when I 'watched' from the sidelines while they (CirX and others) stole DM's WWI planes and released them under an alias name... and though finally I spoke out in the treehouse against it, I waited too late and did not act as promptly as I knew I 'should' have acted. from that point on I could no longer 'JUSTIFY' the doctrine of the SAS. and from that point on I was searching for a way OUT of that black mess. ---thus the creation of the Free Modding site and my sincerest apology to DM.
perhaps you'll one day reach such a point, Ashe where you can't look at your own self in the mirror without cringing... and perhaps 'then' you'll see that a personal change is for you too.
but until then, don't pretend to debate or discuss when all the while you are (as ton so truly said) merely JUSTIFYING.
such has always been the backbone of the SAS true believers mantra.
and yes, many people...in particular people that have done me wrong and or hate me (the bulk of the SAS administration and their lackeys) for whatever reason often say that 'my' particular style of writing is aggressive... well, so what? possibly my style is aggressive because THEY disagree with my words and rather than counter them (because they cannot) seek merely to Spin-Doctor what I say into something I did NOT say? yes, that is quite possible and in fact is true.
everyone reading this will see that as ton says... Ashe here doesn't seek to address any 'real' issue or issues brought up by everyone else, merely his responses are ALWAYS geared to haggle on 'small' and unimportant points... a slight of hand, a misdirection... where again as ton and DM point out ends up being some sort of 'justification' for the thousands of SAS wrong-doings.
in other words 'let's not deal with the fact that the SAS did (and continue to do) those bad things... instead, let us concentrate on 'why' they did them and 'what' gave them the right to do them ...which will ALWAYS be something along the line of, 'It was Beowolff's fault!'
d'oh! :-?
it should be mind-boggling to any upright person that any 'one' man (such as I) can be so detrimental and destructive to an entire SITE full of admins such as over at the SAS. :-?
and yet when they are attacking DM and stealing DM's work or banning him...then suddenly it is DM's fault.
or when they are slighting/abusing/stealing from ton it must be 'tons' fault.
and Texx's fault. and dino's fault. and Ice-Eagle's fault. and so on down the line to near infinity.
always always when they (the SAS) do bad things...it is SOMEONE ELSE'S fault "WHY" they had to do it.
yes, it always boils down to that whenever the SAS screw us over as they constantly do... then ALWAYS somehow 'we had it coming.'
and somehow that outlook always gives the SAS the right to do even more to us. the fact that we respond to THEIR aggression and wrongs and do not let them walk all over us is even wrong and evidently gives 'them' even MORE rights to continue to do even more wrongs to us. any sane and 'thinking' man or men can see this for what it really is and understand the fundamental 'wrongness' of that sort of justification.
all of us here and at the FM site understand friendship and loyalty, and we understand pride too. and yet NONE of us are blindly obedient to the point that our friendship and loyalty to each other takes on the girth of overpowering/unswerving adherence and obedience to leaders and the doctrine of leaders that would have us make-up justifications for things done wrong to other people. and that is the main underlying difference between the AAS, FM...and the SAS. and no doubt has been the main 'problem' all along. they DEMAND blind obedience to their silly-ass cult. we, on the other hand 'ask' only for friendship, fairness and civility as ALL men should expect from their fellows.
I guess it is like trying to mix oil and water... our two viewpoints just don't work.
I too was once under the 'swoon' of the SAS doctrine, and I for one am ashamed that I allowed them to twist my viewpoint and alter my outlook to the point of where, like any mean-assed thirteen year old I made fun of people that I did not know, mistreated people I had no business mistreating, and sat about in the treehouse talking DOWN about others and agreeing to fundamentally WRONG strategies. the actual breaking point for me was when I 'watched' from the sidelines while they (CirX and others) stole DM's WWI planes and released them under an alias name... and though finally I spoke out in the treehouse against it, I waited too late and did not act as promptly as I knew I 'should' have acted. from that point on I could no longer 'JUSTIFY' the doctrine of the SAS. and from that point on I was searching for a way OUT of that black mess. ---thus the creation of the Free Modding site and my sincerest apology to DM.
perhaps you'll one day reach such a point, Ashe where you can't look at your own self in the mirror without cringing... and perhaps 'then' you'll see that a personal change is for you too.
but until then, don't pretend to debate or discuss when all the while you are (as ton so truly said) merely JUSTIFYING.