[akdavis]

Ideally there would be two versions: pre-invasion for air combat and during invasion for close air support missions.

[redko]

Ideally there would be two versions: pre-invasion for air combat and during invasion for close air support missions.

Exactly what i have in mind since this morning.....................................................you read in my mind right ? :wink:

[Phil_K]

Iwo was pounded on and off for about 6 months before the invasion, both by TF.38/58 and by B-24's from the Marianas, so it would have been pretty much a moonscape long before the invasion fleet arrived.

Of course this pounding just confirmed to the Japanese that the Americans were coming, so was probably counter-productive.

[Phil_K]

P.S. anyone wanting to do ground support on Iwo go here: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php? ... ls&id=2016

[Phil_K]

Just wanted to see three grooving Hitlers.

[WhiteCat]

I agree with PhilK, definitely it's my idea... again, a mixture of shrubs, black sand and white ashes would be perfect. I HIGHLY recommend PhilK Iwo campaign, but I'll wait to re-play it again once redko has finished what it will be an outstanding work, I'm sure.

Regarding pre-invasion campaigns, to fly some japanese defenders, correct me if I'm wrong but if we like to be historically correct, the air defender activity was minimum as the americans destroyed all the airplanes and airstrips in the very first raids. Obviously this is only a game so it means that we don't need to be 100% historically correct, it's just an observation

[Bobbo]

I agree with PhilK, definitely it's my idea... again, a mixture of shrubs, black sand and white ashes would be perfect. I HIGHLY recommend PhilK Iwo campaign, but I'll wait to re-play it again once redko has finished what it will be an outstanding work, I'm sure.

Regarding pre-invasion campaigns, to fly some japanese defenders, correct me if I'm wrong but if we like to be historically correct, the air defender activity was minimum as the americans destroyed all the airplanes and airstrips in the very first raids. Obviously this is only a game so it means that we don't need to be 100% historically correct, it's just an observation

Supposedly two zeros took off from the island to do Kamikaze attacks during the landings. I suppose there could be a mission like that.

[WhiteCat]

I agree with PhilK, definitely it's my idea... again, a mixture of shrubs, black sand and white ashes would be perfect. I HIGHLY recommend PhilK Iwo campaign, but I'll wait to re-play it again once redko has finished what it will be an outstanding work, I'm sure.

Regarding pre-invasion campaigns, to fly some japanese defenders, correct me if I'm wrong but if we like to be historically correct, the air defender activity was minimum as the americans destroyed all the airplanes and airstrips in the very first raids. Obviously this is only a game so it means that we don't need to be 100% historically correct, it's just an observation

Supposedly two zeros took off from the island to do Kamikaze attacks during the landings. I suppose there could be a mission like that.

It's true mate! I've remembered an interesting fact about the Iwo Jima air defenders: I read some time ago a book about Kamikazes (very interesting book, french 'L'Epopee Kamikaze' by Bernard Millot) and I've run to check it: the first true kamikaze (or jibaku attack) was launched from Iwo Jima after the 3rd raid the 4th of July of 1944. There were left only 8 Jills and 9 Zeros operative, and they were launched against the american fleet in a suicidal attack, but they were repelled by more than 60 Hellcats and the 5 survivors, 4 Zeros and one Jill, took refuge in the clouds (those were the proportions in the Iwo Jima battles, I guess that in IL2 that would mean a very difficult mission, also because planes can 'see' through the clouds
Finally the survivors returned to Iwo Jima but apparently they were completely destroyed the day after when the american fleet came near the island and pounded it. This was much time before the invasion that happened in 1945, so apparently between july 1944 and february 1945, the japanese, without any more operative planes, dedicated themselves to a passive defence to fortify the island. So I don't know about those 2 zeros you mention, maybe you refer to the attack above?

[redko]

UPDATE

Ok........

So now that i know how to paint this mount Suribachi, i can really start the work for this map. I have to find better textures and an harmonious way to place it into the map.

The global tone is darker, i will reintegrate beach textures. I have to find how to integrate airfields textures into mine.....which is not the case now as you can see it on the pics. I have to make order in this desorder :roll: :roll: :roll: .


Please keep in mind that this is still under way.....

1. Focus on the mont....it's better now right ??


2. Now i need to find good beach textures......these are only for test


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5. I can' let these airfields be so apparent compared to the rest.....some problems to extract airfields textures i don't know why. :roll: :???: :???: :???:


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[WhiteCat]

Wow redko, I really LIKE the mount now. Good work. Let's see what thinks akdavis.

[Bobbo]

Supposedly two zeros took off from the island to do Kamikaze attacks during the landings. I suppose there could be a mission like that.

It's true mate! I've remembered an interesting fact about the Iwo Jima air defenders: I read some time ago a book about Kamikazes (very interesting book, french 'L'Epopee Kamikaze' by Bernard Millot) and I've run to check it: the first true kamikaze (or jibaku attack) was launched from Iwo Jima after the 3rd raid the 4th of July of 1944. There were left only 8 Jills and 9 Zeros operative, and they were launched against the american fleet in a suicidal attack, but they were repelled by more than 60 Hellcats and the 5 survivors, 4 Zeros and one Jill, took refuge in the clouds (those were the proportions in the Iwo Jima battles, I guess that in IL2 that would mean a very difficult mission, also because planes can 'see' through the clouds
Finally the survivors returned to Iwo Jima but apparently they were completely destroyed the day after when the american fleet came near the island and pounded it. This was much time before the invasion that happened in 1945, so apparently between july 1944 and february 1945, the japanese, without any more operative planes, dedicated themselves to a passive defence to fortify the island. So I don't know about those 2 zeros you mention, maybe you refer to the attack above?

My source is The Rising Sun by John Toland. The description was after the bombardment let up and as the landing started two zeros took off from Iwo to attempt and attack. Of course The Rising Sun is a general history written in 1970 so the author maybe taking about the action you describe. (seems likely since the runways were most likely a mess at the point)

redko: the volcano looks mighty cool now along with the black sand.

If you add craters from the bombardment maybe have the active airstrips have patched runways?

[Duc]

Wow it looks great, excellent work on the mountain finally it looks good! That airfield texture also looks great. Thanks for your work :wink:

[Goblin]

4 me it's jet OK- as it is now in this yours last screenshots redko, just some more textures "yellow-sand/desert terrain" needed .. however still great work!!

[Duc]

4 me it's jet OK- as it is now in this yours last screenshots redko, just some more textures "yellow-sand/desert terrain" needed .. however still great work!!

Ah yes, now that you mention it, it does need some more yellow.

Look at this photograph:


And this:











Hope these help

[akdavis]

4 me it's jet OK- as it is now in this yours last screenshots redko, just some more textures "yellow-sand/desert terrain" needed .. however still great work!!

Ah yes, now that you mention it, it does need some more yellow.

Look at this photograph:


And this:











Hope these help

I would not assume a 1945 color photo has correct color balance. That said, the screen shots above due seem perhaps over desaturated. If there were more green and yellow in the vegetation, it would seem more natural.