[Forager]

Well, since the first one turned out so well....

We need an option for post originators to delete their topic when it leaves the planet, is this MOD possible Mr Jolly?
Please lock that abomination.

Also Mr Jolly, does this:
(The link is inoperative)
mean that AAA is prepared to support an anything goes modding site?

If so, I believe we will lose any credibility in the IL2 world because we are advocating fake planes that are not part of the original sim.

Taking what is in the sim and enhancing it, even under the cloud we sit, can be rarionalized but adding things that do not exist in the sim leaves the realm of Modding.

We here all know that the milk is spilled but I think, and I realize there are those that will disagree with me, we should stand against this trend to tack this piece of that and a piece of this together to add something that does not exist ingame

We have already made the news with the Typhoon (check page six.): http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/ ... 032016/p/6
and I only see a downhill slide for AAA if you do not quickly squelch any perception that AAA is indeed becoming a dump for anything goes modding.

I have no issues with anyone making something out of bits and pieces but I do think they should peddle their wares elsewhere.

They can set up shop somewhere and since there will definately be a market for their work, perhaps this site could add a link to their site and AAA can retain some credibility.

?

[III./JG2_hAbIcht]

i approve of this post

a bad way this is going :?

[redwolf]

+1

[Skunkmeister]

That was my post. I decided to remove the pics to avoid the fire and flak.

I'm with you 100% on this Forager, I find the frankenplanes to be a complete abomination as they are no where near to bearing resemblance to the original aircraft.

Sure there will be people that will say things like "perfection is what killed many projects in the past", and such, but I believe that this sim has been top of the line for the past what? 6 years? So I dont see the reasoning behind adding sub standard freakish amalgamations to this sim.

If we could find a way to get completely new meshes into this sim and then contact those that have made models of such planes like Typhoons and Battles or whatever, so that they are to the same standard as the latest official additions, then I'm all for that. I would give my soul to fly in a Typhoon, but I dont want to do it in a FrankenTyphoon.

[lowfighter]

I think this is good to discuss. Everybody here (including me) is very enthusiastic here. But there are dangers...
I don't care about the ubi guys which call us all possible names, but i care about US..At the moment I can't contribute much to this discution in a concrete way, too much absorbed in the map development, so I have to update...
Keep talking guys!

[High Plains Drifter]

agreed. we should discuss it L.F.

[Lo0n]

i concur. frankenplanes are not in the spirit of il-2, nor of this site (to date). adding generic cockpits to already existing models is fine, but bolting bits of planes together and giving them new FM/DM is too close to the fiddling that has thus far been shunned. that way lies the mk108 armed P.11c.

[Forager]

So far so good and I agree 100% with Skunkmeister on this: "If we could find a way to get completely new meshes into this sim and then contact those that have made models of such planes like Typhoons and Battles or whatever, so that they are to the same standard as the latest official additions, then I'm all for that. I would give my soul to fly in a Typhoon, but I dont want to do it in a FrankenTyphoon."

Well, except for the "give my soul" part, I need that for a few more years.

Let's kep this civil and not get to bashing those making planes from parts but let's also do what we can to keep IL2 standards.

[Uther]

I agree with the above statements.

[WilliVonBill]

I rather put these in the same catagory as planes reskinned to act in the place of planes originally left out of the sim. I seem to recall a LA or MiG that was reskinned to make a faux brit plane bacj in the earlier IL2 days. Personally I'm not going to form an opinion one way or the other until I see the final results of this experiment. Besides... one never knows what additional insights to how this sim is put together experiments like this might provide. Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if this led to figuring out how to put new meshes into the sim?

[Trooper117]

I don't want to see 'freakish' looking things flying around any server.. but let's give these people some support and see what they can come up with.. if it's crap then we can maybe give people imput to improve or just abolish it.. But I feel we must encourage, not outlaw, otherwise it'll just go underground, and then the sh*t will really hit the fan won't it!..

[Username]

I think you're being far too judgemental, far too early. :?

It's self-defeating to insist that because Oleg never modelled a certain plane, it must never be introduced by other means. Once mesh modding reaches a high standard - to the point where new planes can be as good as IL2 originals - you will all presumably change your opinion?
Or is this really an online FM debate? New aircraft will require new FMs and I personally would be content to leave that to respected people here - I don't fly online and I have no interest in cheating myself. But I know onliners feel differently about the Pandora's Box of FMs.

It is very early days for this kind of thing and if Ranwers can achieve what he has in just three weeks of experimentation then an authentic Typhoon (correct in all dimensions and contours) is surely less than a year away. Frankly, if it looks like a Typhoon and it sounds like a Typhoon and it flies like one, then as far as IL2 is concerned, it is a Typhoon.

What are we saying..... that someone has to spend 3 months working in 3D Studio Max from first base before we are allowed to accept a new aircraft into the sim? Anything less is unacceptable? I don't understand such puritanism.
It's just silly if the same result can be achieved by cleverly manipulating meshes that already exist in the game. That incidentally, is precisely what Mr Jolly and Wasy have been doing to create cockpits and turrets for non flyables - the only difference is that this time someone has done it for an external.

What about a 109T? They saw a lot of action over Norway and the island of Heligoland. All that is required is to extend the wingtips of an E7. But according to the naysayer's ethos that wouldn't be allowed, because it would mean stretching an existing external mesh.

Don't misunderstand me: in my view, the Typhoon as presented is not ready to be offered as a mod. However, we shouldn't urinate on the efforts of a talented modder just because he tries something radical. An effort to cajole Mr Jolly to take sides is a bit snide and unnecessary. The buzz about this site stems from the fact that the shackles are (partially) off at last and more creativity can now be poured into the game. Please don't try to put them on again.

I'm content to trust the judgement of Jolly et al in not allowing crap mods to get through the net. Historic aircraft made to a high standard should be allowed.

[Lt.Wolf]

i can see the problems of this already, the planes that are added is just replacing one plane with another and the only way to fly it is to have the name same as the one you are replacing. Example:
Fm for new plane is the same as the replaced plane
weapons are the same as the replaced plane
dm is the same as the replaced plane, it is only the user of the mods that see the changed plane, no performance increase or weapons as of yet.

This maybe the situation for a while and they will still be made, nothing can be done about that, we still will check any thing that is for download and anything that is out of the norm (for the game) we will remove.

[Forager]

Thank you Lt.Wolf.

[WilliVonBill]

"This maybe the situation for a while and they will still be made, nothing can be done about that, we still will check any thing that is for download and anything that is out of the norm (for the game) we will remove."

Fair enough... but we can still discuss?