[matsher]

Hi guys,

My new Cyborg EVO FF and Throttle Quadrant just arrived
and I was busting to try them out on IL2 1946. I set them
both up with the drivers and loaded the SST software.
Individually, they both work perfectly but I am running
into many problems with the set up of my new Saitek
controllers in game. I have a couple of problems.

The biggest - is that the game does not recognise the
Cyborg as the primary controller, it thinks the Throttle
Quadrant is the primary controller.
I can

[JudgeMingus]

You can set the Cyborg EVO to have the first Joystick ID in Windows to simplify the control situation.
Try "JoyIDs", here: http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_softwa...s_Utility:.

Also, I use the Cyborg Evo FF myself, and:
1. The stick does tighten to represent control surface resistance, but not to the extent I would like
and
2. I find that the gun effects in particular can actually be a bit excessive (shaking the stick violently and putting my aim off at times!). I may need to tweak the FF settings a bit for those forces...

[chickenchoker]

I would recommend not installing SST, at least for the Throttle quadrant. I don't think there is really anything to be gained using it with throttle, is there? I use a Saitek quadrant, with TM Cougar for prop, flap, and trim.
I don't use the Saitek software, and just set it up in game.

[matsher]

Thanks guys for the response... I have already got the JoyId util
I discovered it yesterday while searching for a cure. I doesn't seem to fix the
problem though, My Throttle Quad is still being seen as the primary controller
by IL2. Maybe Iam not using it correctly, but it is such a simple program that
I have no Idea how I could get it wrong. Maybe one of you two know.
I selected the Cyborg to be Controller 1 and the quadrant to be No.2. Aaaand.....
She no wek!
The other problem ,which is becoming my No.1 bugbear is this FF. Its really like flying
with a wet noodle. bearly any FF at all. I wish my guns were too strong, I can
bearly feel the servos move at all and the stick is limp.
Frustration, rising.
Again thanks for a response, I don't feel so alone anymore. More suggestions welcome.
All the best
Lugnut

[KC Jones]

I have the same stick.

When I first flew in turbulant weather I was kicked about so much I went into the "gain" settings and turned it down from 100% to 80% which was more manageable.

Do you have the FF switch thrown in Hardward Setup/Input ? as follows ? Remember, you have to have the power cord plugged in to show this switch.

[matsher]

Hi KC Jones, thanks for responding.
Firstly, sure I turned the FF on in the game control panel. I am afriad this problem aint that easy
to solve. I have been through every permiatation of testing. The FF in game is there, but it is so so
slight that it may well not even be there. So, this leads me to my next question. Why are some peoples EVO FF sticks FF every violent and some others (I have read this on other forums) like mine. Hardly worth mentioning. That is weird and very confusing.

Now all you guys reading this and trying to help listen up to what I have discovered. Not a cure yet but maybe an interesting clue. I have found a small program called FEdit. (Force feedback editor) its a tiny program developed by MS years ago. It lets you edit your FF profiles. So what I did was open my FF profiles up in Fedit and had a look at them and tested them using my new EVO stick. The effects I got through my stick were similar to the effects I felt in game (Limp). Interesting.
So that leads me to believe that there may not be a problem with the stick but with the FF profiles themselves in my IL2 folders.

Now the big question is... If this true how the hell did I get different FF profiles in my copy of IL2 than say yours, KC JONES??? I have never touched my FF folder till I got my FF EVO stick.

So what I have to do now is get a set of control profiles (A set of FF profiles that we know is working properly)... So any one of you kind gentlemen who's EVO sticks work properly with
strong FF can email me your ForceFeedback folder (found in your IL2 games directory) and I
can do some tests, maybe that will be the solution.

Oh, If any of you guys want a copy of FEdit, it is a fantastic little utility for editing your FF profiles.
I would recommend that you back up your files first though becuase you could get a little carried away.

So to summerize. I think the problem may not be with the stick but with the FF profiles in IL2.
It is still a mystery how some people have strong profiles and others weak but thats a problem for another day. I have written to IMMERSION. The guys who write the profiles for Saitek Joysticks
and have asked them the question and will probably get the answer after July 4 weekend. I will
be sure to share any interesting info with you guys. But now (asap) can someone send me their working profiles to:

lugnut@vodamail.co.za (I would be most grateful)

And send me your address if you want a copy of FEdit

Lugnut

[KC Jones]

So that leads me to believe that there may not be a problem with the stick but with the FF profiles themselves in my IL2 folders.

Now the big question is... If this true how the hell did I get different FF profiles in my copy of IL2 than say yours, KC JONES??? I have never touched my FF folder till I got my FF EVO stick.

So to summerize. I think the problem may not be with the stick but with the FF profiles in IL2.

Lugnut

Dang,....thought that FF switch would work. Some times I have bad days and my monitor shows black until son says "Dad, turn the power switch on".

Okay,...after 3 smokes in a row on the back porch I also tried a number of things, including not loading an SST profile I have for IL-2. I still got FFB in the game.

BUT ! I never even knew that there was a folder inside the game called "Force Feedback".

Goes to show how much I know.

I do know that I never messed with that hardware input setup screen in the game except to turn on force feedback.

Never messed with any of those "curves" things either. Didn't and still don't know what the heck they're for.

So I go back to one of your first anomolies:

"My Throttle Quad is still being seen as the primary controller by IL2."

If this is still showing up, then....that is the first thing you must tackle.

A friend of mine had a heck of time combining a CH stick and throttle quadrant in CFS. He posted his problem on their forum and got back a "what to do".

Just went up to Saitek's forum and found this.

http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=13403

You might want to add to that thread.

Sorry I couldn't be more help buddy.

KC

[fabianfred]

If you are using a throttle quadrant .....you would best be using the program 'Throttle' which allows you to have a lever for each engine...

I use it with my Saitek aviator to allow two throttles for twin-engine a/c

[matsher]

Thanks faibain, I didn't know that there was such a mod. That would really come in handy.
I've been asking around for that exact function. Please tell me where I can get it. Is it a mod
or a small app???
Lug