[109dude]

****CAUTION, CAUTION****
THIS MOVE IS FOR ONLY THE MOST SKILLED AND COMPETENT PILOTS
ATTEMPT AT RISK OF FLAT SPIN

THIS IS A LAST DITCH EFFORT

In this difficult maneuver you must be a master at stall recovery!
First, you jam the stick into your gut. Note, not a slow pull, you must pull fast enough to stall the aircraft.
Then, push full bottom rudder, causing the nose to drop.
Finally, push the stick full forward. This neutralizes the effect.

Then you will stall for as long as 5 seconds. IF YOU RECOVER, you will have disappeared from the enemy's sight.

****A WORD OF CAUTION****
DO NOT GO BACK AFTER THE SAME ENEMY, IF YOU HAD TO DO THIS YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN A POSITION TO FIGHT THAT SPECIFIC BANDIT!

[F4U-1_Corsair]

suppose you've been watching history channel: dogfights.

this only really works well in a plane able to spin and stall fairly easily, like the P51.

Other planes can do similar maneuvers, but not as well.

[109dude]

suppose you've been watching history channel: dogfights.

this only really works well in a plane able to spin and stall fairly easily, like the P51.

Other planes can do similar maneuvers, but not as well.

Hehehe, you read my mind....

[liamp2oo6]

you do what left or right rudder are we level when we do this .

[109dude]

you do what left or right rudder are we level when we do this .

when you yank up and stall, rudder in the direction your nose slides, I usually slide left...

[Oh_Frustration]

So shortly, get ur plane into a fast flat spin and recover a bit later?

[stansdds]

Spin now, worry later! :lol:

This technique might work if you have plenty of altitude, but it has been my experience with Il2 that by the time I have someone on me that I can't shake, I'm already near the deck and I'm being attacked from above.

[JudgeMingus]

If you want the more common name of this maneuvre, it is called a "snap roll"

It is hard to execute at all well in most planes with leading edge slots or slats (Bf109, many Soviet planes, Fieseler 156) as it relies on stalling one wing, and slots/slats are intended to reduce the likelihood of stalling...

In real life, it was used by some WWII pilots, but in most planes - especially anything with a big engine - you would be at some risk of warping or breaking the engine mounts.

In IL-2, I don't think airframe stresses are modelled precisely. It is (relatively) safe in-game except for the fact it reduces your speed (and Speed, as we all should know, is Life).

The in-game FW190 does a very snappy snap roll!

[caldrail]

****CAUTION, CAUTION****
THIS MOVE IS FOR ONLY THE MOST SKILLED AND COMPETENT PILOTS
ATTEMPT AT RISK OF FLAT SPIN

THIS IS A LAST DITCH EFFORT

In this difficult maneuver you must be a master at stall recovery!
First, you jam the stick into your gut. Note, not a slow pull, you must pull fast enough to stall the aircraft.
Then, push full bottom rudder, causing the nose to drop.
Finally, push the stick full forward. This neutralizes the effect.

Then you will stall for as long as 5 seconds. IF YOU RECOVER, you will have disappeared from the enemy's sight.

****A WORD OF CAUTION****
DO NOT GO BACK AFTER THE SAME ENEMY, IF YOU HAD TO DO THIS YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN A POSITION TO FIGHT THAT SPECIFIC BANDIT!

1 - Correct, you risk shock stall and a possible spin afterward, so height for recovery might be an issue

2 - You have bled off aircraft energy by this manoever and will definitely have lost speed, an important factor in air to air combat.

3 - The manoever might not get you out of the enemies sights - it depends on how far away he is. The further he is the least effective your maneover is, and you might actually be helping him catch up.

4 - Unless yor engine can tolerate negative G, you just lost power

5 - You haven't gained any tactical advantage unless the enemy is close and overshoots you underneath

6 - You might be risking overloading the aircraft structure, especially if already damaged.

7 - You might find the physical sensations (not an issue in IL2) are uncomfortable and quick action against enemy response wouldn't be so easy.

8 - You lose sight of the enemy behind you.

A better alternative might be a barrel roll. The AI does this already. Reactive tactics like this are necessary for survival, but the trick is to tirn it to your advantage in the process.