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Allied WWII historical aircraft
#46

What about the cannon carrying versions of the Hellcat? Big Grin


From acepilots.com:
"Its armament, power, and range gave the Hellcat great versatility. The basic weaponry consisted of six wing-mounted .50 caliber machine guns, each with 400 rounds of ammunition. Many, including all F6F-5N and F6F-5P variants substituted a 20mm cannon with 200 rounds for the innermost machine gun in each wing."

From wiki:
"Another improvement in the F6F-5 was the availability of more potent armament than the standard six .50 caliber (12.7 mm) machine guns. Trials with cannon-armed Hellcats were not followed up by a production version; although all F6F-5s could carry an armament mix of a pair of Hispano 20mm (0.79 in.) cannon, one mounted in each of the inboard gun bays, with a minimum of 220 rounds per gun, along with two pairs of .50 caliber (12.7 mm) machine guns, with 400 rounds per gun, this configuration was only used on many later F6F-5N night fighters. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F6F_Hellcat
I'm getting a mixed thought on if it was built in any numbers or not from that.

Thinking all that would really have to change is two of the guns. And some 3D model? (has radar in the case of the "N")
FM is proly the same.


Also the F6F-6, which used the F4U's variant of the R-2800 and had a four blade prop.
Though it did not make it into production in time before the end of the war.
And I believe only two were made. So it would proly go into the "what if" category. But I thought I'd mention it here with the other F6F's.
Having a hard time finding a good pic of it.
#47

There was about 1500 F6F-5N's with the the 6x.50 and about 1200 with 2x20mm + 4x.50 versions. The latter started to appear mid-1945.
#48

Updated F6F Hellcat information about cannons in the aircraft list.

Smile


Chaoic out...
#49

Has somebody asked for the other P-40 variants?
This is an especially important thing for us Australian campaigners as the RAAF used them pretty much excusively until 1944.
The P-40E (1150hp for takeoff) is in-game but this and the M requires significant modelling adjustment (wing dihedral is it? and minor cosmetic adjustments, someone started this project a while ago iirc). That's our Kittyhawk Ia.

The Kittyhawk II were the Merlin P-40Fs (first few short fuselage and from series 5 onwards longer fuselage). The other Merlin one, the P-40L cut-down version with four brownings and reduced fuel tankage was used by yanks in Africa afaik, RAAF never got it. The big piloting change for the Merlin Kittyhawks is the manual two-speed supercharger, whilst overall performance is equivalent to the K at low altitude and vastly improved over Allison engines at high altitude (354mph @ 20400ft and 312mph @ 34300ft tested). Rated altitudes are 9500ft for low gear and 16000ft for high gear.

The K was short fuselage for the first few just like the F and quickly switched to the long fuselage due to the much more powerful Allison fitted than available to the E variants. K had slightly better low altitude performance than the M and the M had slightly better altitude performance (13800ft rated altitude compared to 11000ft). Take off performance was the same otherwise according to RAAF tests (1350hp vs 1360hp for takeoff, whilst military power was also similar but at much different altitudes).

You've already got the N posted in your list, which of course was a cut-down high performance M, much like the P-40L to the P-40F (but the N added better pilot view rearwards). It used the same engine as the M but was much faster with its maximum speed at 10000ft instead of 15000ft. Top speed at 15000ft actually tested the same between the two in RAAF service.

Blueprints and performance specifications are literally all over the web for all these types, and there are a number of sites dedicated specifically to them. I didn't see the need to post links as a simple google will return pages and pages of everything anyone could need for the Kittyhawk series.

Here's one link for RAAF comparative tests of those we used: http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvr ... mpared.pdf

So for RAAF campaigning I'd love to see the F and K added as well as the N, and the E and M remodelled cosmetically.

Cheers.
#50

Here's a walkaround for fokker C.X. Swiss inline variant, looks pretty real deal for me, not being a replica.. but not sure. No idea how much the swiss modernized 'em.. is that a 20mm gun I see firing thru prop hub?

http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/nl/ ... /index.htm
more C.X: http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/m ... ++(parte+1)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/m ... X+(parte+2)

Some rather "easy" to do soviet planes (of course these need LOTS of work with FM, DM, Class, new skins, research etc, but atleast basic 3d is almost there :lol: )

R-5/R-Z the inline development from PO/U-2, some 5,000-7,000 made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_R-5
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/makarov_aleksey/r-5/
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/r-5.html
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/pol_r-5.php
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC114201.HTM

I-15bis/I-152, the sister of I-153 with fixed gear and straight upper wing for improved visibility on ground. I think I-153 cockpit is pretty similiar (VVS gurus can prove me wrong tho
Tongue ) but with deletion of landing gear controls and maybe by adding tube gunsight it would be close enuff. Was the most produced soviet fighter of late 30's by around 2,400 made.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/pol_i-152.php
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk546.htm
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~pc6m-wkn/Monino.htm
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC238901.HTM

AR-2: the last variant of SB- line, a divebomber.. only ~190 made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangelski_Ar-2
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/ar-2/index.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/ar2.html


>>>-H-K--->
#51

vanir Wrote:Has somebody asked for the other P-40 variants?
This is an especially important thing for us Australian campaigners as the RAAF used them pretty much excusively until 1944.
The P-40E (1150hp for takeoff) is in-game but this and the M requires significant modelling adjustment (wing dihedral is it? and minor cosmetic adjustments, someone started this project a while ago iirc). That's our Kittyhawk Ia.

The Kittyhawk II were the Merlin P-40Fs (first few short fuselage and from series 5 onwards longer fuselage). The other Merlin one, the P-40L cut-down version with four brownings and reduced fuel tankage was used by yanks in Africa afaik, RAAF never got it. The big piloting change for the Merlin Kittyhawks is the manual two-speed supercharger, whilst overall performance is equivalent to the K at low altitude and vastly improved over Allison engines at high altitude (354mph @ 20400ft and 312mph @ 34300ft tested). Rated altitudes are 9500ft for low gear and 16000ft for high gear.

The K was short fuselage for the first few just like the F and quickly switched to the long fuselage due to the much more powerful Allison fitted than available to the E variants. K had slightly better low altitude performance than the M and the M had slightly better altitude performance (13800ft rated altitude compared to 11000ft). Take off performance was the same otherwise according to RAAF tests (1350hp vs 1360hp for takeoff, whilst military power was also similar but at much different altitudes).

You've already got the N posted in your list, which of course was a cut-down high performance M, much like the P-40L to the P-40F (but the N added better pilot view rearwards). It used the same engine as the M but was much faster with its maximum speed at 10000ft instead of 15000ft. Top speed at 15000ft actually tested the same between the two in RAAF service.

Blueprints and performance specifications are literally all over the web for all these types, and there are a number of sites dedicated specifically to them. I didn't see the need to post links as a simple google will return pages and pages of everything anyone could need for the Kittyhawk series.

Here's one link for RAAF comparative tests of those we used: http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/targetvr ... mpared.pdf

So for RAAF campaigning I'd love to see the F and K added as well as the N, and the E and M remodelled cosmetically.

Cheers.

Updated P-40 variants information with your information.

Smile


Chaoic out...
#52

Hurri-Khan Wrote:Here's a walkaround for fokker C.X. Swiss inline variant, looks pretty real deal for me, not being a replica.. but not sure. No idea how much the swiss modernized 'em.. is that a 20mm gun I see firing thru prop hub?

http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/nl/ ... /index.htm
more C.X: http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/m ... ++(parte+1)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/m ... X+(parte+2)

Some rather "easy" to do soviet planes (of course these need LOTS of work with FM, DM, Class, new skins, research etc, but atleast basic 3d is almost there :lol: )

R-5/R-Z the inline development from PO/U-2, some 5,000-7,000 made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_R-5
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/makarov_aleksey/r-5/
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/r-5.html
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/pol_r-5.php
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC114201.HTM

I-15bis/I-152, the sister of I-153 with fixed gear and straight upper wing for improved visibility on ground. I think I-153 cockpit is pretty similiar (VVS gurus can prove me wrong tho
Tongue ) but with deletion of landing gear controls and maybe by adding tube gunsight it would be close enuff. Was the most produced soviet fighter of late 30's by around 2,400 made.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/pol_i-152.php
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk546.htm
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~pc6m-wkn/Monino.htm
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC238901.HTM

AR-2: the last variant of SB- line, a divebomber.. only ~190 made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangelski_Ar-2
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/ar-2/index.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/ar2.html


>>>-H-K--->

Added and updated the information in the list, check them to see if I got all information right please.


Chaoic out...
#53

DeAbajo Wrote:Hi, I found the web pages and dig out your wish list... so here is my contribution to it...

Avia B-534 (fighter) - (this model was done for Il-2 already by some slovak guys some years ago, but don't know what happened to it, they had even the void.bmp)

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/itf/b534.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_B-534
http://www.deabajo.com/B534_3d.htm

blueprint

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/b534.html
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GC05001.HTM
http://www.deabajo.com/B534_pic.htm

regards Martin

Added to the list, under Czechoslovakia nation.

Smile


Chaoic out...
#54

VikShloss Wrote:written data i found
The Dewoitine D.520 was a single seat piston-engine fighter designed and built for the French Air Force. Developed from lessons learned in their ill-fated D.513 design, Dewoitine produced a fighter of sleek design and acceptable capability, especially when compared to that of the German Luftwaffe - to which the D.520 squared off valiantly yet unsuccessfully in the Fall of France in 1940. Despite this, the D.520 was generally respected and use continued by the Vichy French Air Force and even in post-war France. The D.520 signified France's first successful and best "modern" fighter design of World War 2.

Design work on the D.520 began as early as 1936, with the first prototypes flying by 1938. Beyond some design modifications and differing engine types (all from the Hispano-Suiza line) the models varied little. From the D520.1 prototype, the base D.520 series was born and ordered up for production by 1939, with the system being fielded by 1940 - to which only some 36 had actually been delivered when the Germans invaded. The D.520 reportedly squared up well against its German counterparts though success in the defense of France was not to be. Some 114 enemy kills were made at a loss of 85 French D.520's before the eventual collapse of the aerial defense. The system stayed in production with the German-sided Vichy French Air Force and was still available in some numbers after the war.

At its core, the D.520 was a basic straight-line fighter most noted for its sleek overall design and set-back cockpit of which was enclosed canopy. The position of the cockpit so far away from the nose undoubtedly took away from the pilots visibility forward and down but the added room in the nose made for an easier engine (which featured a variable-pitch propeller system) and armament installation. Armament consisted of a nose-mounted 20mm cannon and 4 x 7.5mm machine guns, with two machine guns per wing leading edge. Trailing edge flaps were also instituted into the wing design. A single vertical tail surface adorned the empennage and retractable landing gears rounded out the features.

Dimensions:
Length: 28.74ft (8.76m)
Width: 33.46ft (10.20m)
Height: 8.40ft (2.56m)
Performance:
Max Speed: 336mph (540kmh; 292kts)
Max Range: 957miles (1,540km)
Rate-of-Climb: 0ft/min (0m/min)
Ceiling: 36,089ft (11,000m; 6.8miles)
Structure:
Accommodation: 1
Hardpoints: 0
Empty Weight: 4,612lbs (2,092kg)
MTOW: 6,151lbs (2,790kg)
Power:
Engine(s): 1 x Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 12-cylinder V-type engine developing 930hp
1 x 20mm HS 404 cannon in nose
4 x 7.5mm machine guns in wings

link to a picture of it
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... e-d520.jpg

and a link to the blue prints
http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/france ... _d-520.gif

would dearly love to see this little fighter in action
am waiting in eager anticipation
redards
vik

Updated Dewoitine D.520 information in the list.


Chaoic out...
#55

I did a search on the site and could not find mention of this a/c. I thought it was interesting, as it was developed in 1942 and used into the 1950's.
Info. here:
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2 ... mo_j22.htm
#56

Here's one for the frankenplaners - the Spiteful and Seafang. Now we have the Spit XIV, it shouldn't take all that much work, really... the early protoypes was more or less just a XIV fuselage on a new wing.

Supermarine Spiteful RB515 (e/ this was the first production, not the prototype - my bad)
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2918L.jpg
http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/englan ... eful_1.jpg

NN660, first prototype w/ Mk.XIV fuselage
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2 ... ire_01.jpg

Seafang

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/se ... fang-2.jpg

Scale drawing (production variant with extended carby intake)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... iteful.png (copy and paste it, the exclamation mark breaks the parse)
#57

B-25H Falcon Radar Directed 75mm gun info.

I'm hoping someday this feature could be implemented in the flyable B-25H for IL-2, link is info about the Falcon radar used with the 75mm cannon.

http://www.riemarfamily.com/falcon%20in%20action.html

Also, are there any plans for an F4U-4 corsair for use in the pacific Okinawa campaigns? I'll see if I can find more info if required for both the B-25H and F4U-4 if neede.

Thanks! Big Grin
#58

The first info might be more curiosity than anything else. The A-36 and the P-51H should be the real proposals for a new plane. I don't have much information but this might help:

P-51/Mustang I & IA * A36 * P51A/Mustang II

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2892/...thamer.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2892/...thamer.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2208/...hamerb.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2892/...thamer.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2892/...thamer.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2892/...thamer.jpg

P-51H

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7576/...hamerm.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8510/...hamert.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4367/...hamerw.jpg

I can also find some info and diagrams on the F4U4 and F4U5 if necessary.
#59

Yes! Another Mustang fan!!! Please see the link as there is a Mustang collection being made with fixed D's a K, a Mk. I, Mk. IA, Mk. II, and H. That's right, da works...

http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/...&start=105
#60

MustangNF Wrote:Yes! Another Mustang fan!!! Please see the link as there is a Mustang collection being made with fixed D's a K, a Mk. I, Mk. IA, Mk. II, and H. That's right, da works...

http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/...&start=105
Thanks for the link. So many info on these forums that it becomes difficult to make sure one isn't posting duplicate info.

I did not see the A36 and P-51H on the "to do" list so I posted the sugestion and info. Nice to know that someone is already taking care of the P-51 variants affair.

And BTW, I'm not specifically a Mustang fan. I'm a propeller-driven-WW2 fighter fan. One of my favorits is the Mustang's main antagonist: the FW190... :wink:

Now, are there any sugestions for the Corsair variants? I believe there is a thread for the F4U4. But what about the F4U5 and F2G2?
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