[AH_Moggy]

I think the problem was with product licencing. Grumman wouldn't let Maddox make a pit for it, or something like that. I might be wrong, though.

This is the exact reason.

Hmm, presumably then they had no problem with the F4F/FM-2 & F6F; only the Avenger. Doesn't quite make sense to me...

[Saburo Sakai]

I know, it didn't make sense to the rest of the community when pacific fighters came out either. It caused an uproar on the ubi site, everyone was screaming for it and the answer that was given by lexx was the exact one quoted above. Grumman had copyright issues lol. The way i see it is this....... The war was funded by the public, the doctrines where paid for by the government, therefore the planes belong to the public.
So, where is there a copyright?

[Radoye]

The game already came out with Wildcats and Hellcats, then the Grumman lawsuit came. The Avenger was supposed to come in a patch, it was already done but because of the suit they couldn't get it in. They made a settlement so that those Grumman birds already in game can stay as-is but no other Grumman products could be used - ever. Probably some money also exchanged hands. Oleg got pissed off so much that he said he'll never again model a US-produced plane.

That's the story in short.

[stansdds]

That pretty well sums up the issue, which stemmed from the Pacific Fighters box which printed the aircraft manufacturer's names without permission. If someone had printed the aircraft list with just "F6F Hellcat" instead of "Grumman Hellcat", it might not have been an issue.

[VT-51_Razor]

ok, well i shall spill the beans i am working on a new slot avenger with the help of some other modders, it will be a TBM (Built by general moters) with correct loudouts (droptanks-and other goodies) fm will be correct (90% done already) it will also hopefully have a better more fitting cockpit ( a F6F-3, with a differnt gunsight) hope this little tidbit of infomation shall tide you over till we get further with the project. At the moment there is some snaggs with the cockpit, but i shall keep you updated. No estimated release date yet, hopefully before christmas.

This is great news Howlin_Mad!! Can't wait to fly it. About the cockpit, wouldn't the F2A-2 be better? The canopy opens, and from the inside it seems more like what a turkey's cockpit would look like from the inside than the Hellcat. I've been told that the telescope can be replaced with a reflector gunsight, but wouldn't have a clue if that were true or not. Regardless, looking forward to it.

[vieuxleo]

So, With help of Maraz, Gitano and all mates of our team (ju88 torp, SM79 and so on...), an early TBM is very near from completion (new slot, with new FM and engine, ).

With much more adaptated Cockpit, turret, norden bombsight, corect loadout.....

Will be posted at AAA as usual. stay tuned.

[vieuxleo]

So, users will have choice between two differents interpretations of the plane cool.
Working on TBM too since one month, at least
Ours is TBM1 early model.

Two are better than noone.... 8)

[99th_Swivet]

+1

Great plane, great bomber...too twitchy as is tho....I dont understand why make the thing flyable with such horrible response....Anyways am glad it's flyable, well sort of flyable :roll:

[genbrien]

4./JG53_Howlin > any update for an TBF with correct FM ????

[genbrien]

i would love to say yes, but as with so many projects those working with me on it have found something better to do, the fm is all done, im awaiting a new cockpit transplant, and some loadouts added, but alas it has been some months now, and i think its dead. pitty really.

maybe for the moment juste a plane with a flyable FM and IF you have the time this year, release an updated version with better cockpit and so on :?: :wink:
It would be sad that u made all this for nothing.....

[genbrien]

well i need a new slot etc etc, and i hate having to update stuff, release it correct first time round, thats my theroy.

u do what you want, its your mod after all :wink:

[Uzin]

Thumbs up, Howlin.
Present FM is a shame. Just a bug which can be simply removed, if I know how to do it, or where to replace wrong values.

Loku wrote at
http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/...12&start=0 :

The stability problem on TBF/M, B5N,B6N planes is FM bug,for example a part of TBF FM file:
[Arm]
Wing_In 3.3

[Flyboy36]

I have been waiting for the TBM-3 Avenger to get added to this game (although I don't know how it got left out as a flyable aircraft in Pacific Fighters) for awhile and although I appreciate how hard it is to get a precise FM for any of these aircraft....the current one for this bird is simply way to loose, sluggish, and arcade-like.

Hopefully it simply is just some kind of bug that is affecting the way that the FM for the TBM-3 Avenger currently is set at.
:?:

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