[fpoamaster]

Are we ever going to see an MK. II coming to IL-2? Myself and probably many others would like to see it in game.

[VonBarb.]

+1, that'd be very nice indeed, thought the Mk.I does a good job of filling in for the Mk.II in early 1941 scenarios...

Cheers

Nico

[mig88]

I agree with and support this request. Though on the subject of Spitfires, it would be nice to see later bubbletop variants too.

[Loht773]

Would be nice!

+1!

[patton521]

+1 Spits all the way!

[DJPatriot911]

although i think the game is already smothered in spitfires i would like to see this aircraft if the engine doesn't cut out on negative Gs

[aj906]

i think the game is already smothered in spitfires

+ 1

[Paulo Hirth]

I sell all "exotic planes" for buy a Spitfire MK-II, all menber from Spitfire family are "MUST Planes".

Who dont want... dont download, but let it born for who want it.

Sry my bad english, but you know what i mean...

[Lord Berners]

I'd love to see a Mk. Va in the game as well. That's the early mk.V that was still armed with 8 .303 machine guns. Not ALL that many were made (compared to the VB) but it's still important beacause it was the first type given metal control surfaces and it is was Douglas Bader was flying when he was shot down.

I think it'd be pretty easy to do as well. Just take an existing mkV and arm it with 8 maching guns.

[ALOTEF]

I don't really think we need any more variations of aircraft. It seems that our choices of modded aircraft are becoming more and more bizarre. I think the modders should concentrate their efforts on modding the important aircraft that we are lacking, eg. Lancaster, Dornier DO17, Halifax,
and then produce variants of aircraft.
Oh yes, and they need to continue with The WW1 Project.
Just my 2.0

:wink:

[Guest]

I don't think any of these mods would be too hard. I know there was a Spit Va and Hurricane IIC mod around hear last year, but it got pulled (along with a few other mods) because the flight models weren't approved. But if we have some models ready, Muas and Karaya may be able to help.

I can't look at anything today but if I get some free time this week then I will post something later.

[vanir]

From what I've read the main benefit of the MkII was increased armour with no loss in performance due to the more powerful engine (ie. it evened out for the same performance as the MkI). I guess its importance in Il2 depends on how well the armour is modelled in comparison to the E-3 mod and E-4 in game. If the E-3 has lighter armour than the E-4 and the Spit MkI mod has been modelled correctly for armour roughly equivalent to the E-1/3 then a MkII is justified to bring equivalence to the E-4.

What I think is likely though (I haven't taken apart the files to have a look) is the MkI armouring was modelled more in line with the stock E-4 and MkV, so in effect the MkI mod is really a MkII anyway.
Hang on I'll have a quick look...

ladidadida...

Nope the MkI mod has the same armour as the MkV. It's a MkII.

[aj906]

Spit MkI mod has been modelled correctly for armour roughly equivalent to the E-1/3 then a MkII is justified to bring equivalence to the E-4

If modded correctly then neither the Hurri I nor Spit I should have pilot armour. What few planes had armour plating for the pilot was field modified and certainly in france was back armour taken from downed 109s. Back armour for pilots wasn't universal in the Spit Mk II, either. There are instances of Spits going into 1941 without it.. I personally doubt the lack of back armour for the Spit/Hurri I was modelled...but I'll keep that opinion and where it was headed to myself.

But as mentioned above, why do we need yet another Spitefire when we are still waiting in things like the Lancaster and Wellington, not to mention the Do 17 - and what news of the Whirlwind?

[rossmum]

The first batches were definitely armourless, but I think you'll find that armour was brought in as standard around the same time things like the laminated glass windscreen began to take hold. I'd imagine that it still wasn't as armoured as the later 109E models (the Mk.II, as vanir has pointed out, carried equivalent protection to an E-4 having had an engine upgrade to balance the added weight), but by no means was the entire Mk.I production run armourless as a rule rather than the exception. Armour would've been fitted to older aircraft as they were sent in for repairs or refitting, the same way rifles would be retrofitted with improved parts if they were sent in for whatever reason. Some aircraft may well have gone through to 1941 without needing any major work, thus avoiding the retrofitting of armour until then.

The problem is that the Hurri and Spit I both varied so much from their entry into service to their replacement that we would need several new aircraft slots to properly model them. 2-blade fixed-pitch airscrew, 3-blade variable-pitch, 3-blade constant-speed, no armour, light armour, improvised armour, so on and so forth...

[aj906]

Granted there was retro-fitting but much of that - certainly in France was not authorised or part of design specifications.

"British Fighter Squadrons went to France without back armour; its pilots found it in the wrecks of German machines and installed it in their Hurricanes, without authority." - Derek Robinson, "Invasion, 1940", p.147

Also, Spitfire Is suffered the same problems with a lack of armour. Over Dunkirk, 92 Squadron Spitfires had no back armour, either (See Norman Gelb "Scramble", p.28) - although it was sluggishly fitted throughout June and July 1940. Meanwhile 72 Squadron Spitfires from Biggin Hill in September (!!!) 1940 were missing back armour (See Bill Rolls "Spitfire Attack", p.84)

Certainly there is evidence enough to suggest that back armour was not a standard for either Hurri I, nor Spit I and that it's introduction was not widespread, nor was it compact. If only taking the dates above, that is still May - September 1940 and still back armour is not standard. The mirror mod for the 109s was taken down because it wasn't shown to be a standard, majority use thing. Yet the Spit has back armour despite it suffering the same issues. :roll: