17.05.2009, 05:51
Glossy Sea Blue
17.05.2009, 05:58
Nice find , but thats only the colour of freshly applied paint, and still looks a bit too light for freshly applied. Also that is only a computer representation of the true colour. :wink:
17.05.2009, 06:07
Yep, thats true.. the actual paint is darker still..and glossy. The glossy finish helps resist corrosive and fading. But you need to remember "scale" too. I think the Corsairs you've made have a very good "scale" Glossy Sea Blue. With the weathering they are very good as role models for other Naval aircraft in the KTO
17.05.2009, 06:10
Thanks for that comment 
Tried applying what i learned as a plastic scale modeller to skinning, your spot on about scale colours, the smaller the scale the lighter the colour gets
Tried applying what i learned as a plastic scale modeller to skinning, your spot on about scale colours, the smaller the scale the lighter the colour gets
17.05.2009, 06:44
I agree, that sample of glossy sea blue looks a bit faded. Glossy sea blue is actually quite dark. Here are a couple of my interpretations of glossy sea blue.
The first represents a late production FG-1A, fresh from the factory.
![[Image: fg-1alate.jpg]](http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/stansdds/Ultra%20MOAT%20skins/fg-1alate.jpg)
The second represents a F4U-1C that has been in combat for a while and is worn and faded.
![[Image: F4U-1C20mmexit.jpg]](http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/stansdds/Il2%20screen%20shots/F4U-1C20mmexit.jpg)
I did fly it back to my base, but I had to belly land it. I didn't realize that the hit in the starboard wing had taken out the landing gear hydraulics. I was a bit surprised when I settled a bit lower on the runway than usual and neither the brakes nor the rudder would control my path. It was only after landing that I looked at the exterior and say the extent of the damage. :oops: That's what I get for flying only from the cockpit.
The first represents a late production FG-1A, fresh from the factory.
The second represents a F4U-1C that has been in combat for a while and is worn and faded.
I did fly it back to my base, but I had to belly land it. I didn't realize that the hit in the starboard wing had taken out the landing gear hydraulics. I was a bit surprised when I settled a bit lower on the runway than usual and neither the brakes nor the rudder would control my path. It was only after landing that I looked at the exterior and say the extent of the damage. :oops: That's what I get for flying only from the cockpit.
17.05.2009, 06:45
I agree with Highlander and stansdds, the colour you choose to put in the skin is rarely the colour you see in the game. It is - and will always be- all about interpretation. Some areas of a skin are stretched more than others and so the shade will differ when viewed in game. Even colour photographs are not necessarily an acurate representation as they are often limited by the rendering process. The glossy vs matt finish depends on other factors within the modelling process as well.
What I am trying to say is that this is a not just a simple case of "look up a colour and slap it on the skin", I wish it was. I think all skinners fall into that trap in the early stage but it is a learning process involving a lot of trial and error. The colour will also vary on different monitors. You have to use your eye and approximate the closest shading, (plus on a well developed skin allow for fading, weathering, dirt, oil, scratches, patches, dents, etc).
Sorry - lecture over- just enjoy what others offer up or have a go yourself - it is not actually that difficult really and I derive great satisfaction from flying my efforts around our virtual world and getting feedback if others like them too.
Regards,
GJE52
ps I have just noticed this on the site where the sample was posted
"Please note that the digital color samples shown on this page offer approximations of the requested colors. Users concerned with accurate color matches are advised to make the final judgment on a physical sample. For best viewing experience, this site should be viewed on hardware with true (32-bit) color support on a calibrated color monitor."
I think that says it all really
What I am trying to say is that this is a not just a simple case of "look up a colour and slap it on the skin", I wish it was. I think all skinners fall into that trap in the early stage but it is a learning process involving a lot of trial and error. The colour will also vary on different monitors. You have to use your eye and approximate the closest shading, (plus on a well developed skin allow for fading, weathering, dirt, oil, scratches, patches, dents, etc).
Sorry - lecture over- just enjoy what others offer up or have a go yourself - it is not actually that difficult really and I derive great satisfaction from flying my efforts around our virtual world and getting feedback if others like them too.
Regards,
GJE52
ps I have just noticed this on the site where the sample was posted
"Please note that the digital color samples shown on this page offer approximations of the requested colors. Users concerned with accurate color matches are advised to make the final judgment on a physical sample. For best viewing experience, this site should be viewed on hardware with true (32-bit) color support on a calibrated color monitor."
I think that says it all really
18.05.2009, 14:03
I think Highlanders 209 from VF-192 is a very good example of faded Glossy Sea Blue in scale.. Its important to note that while the ground based AC got exposed to a far wider range of filth, the ship deployed Panthers enjoyed a far higher level of care. Salt water and salt air is a bad thing..but it tends to effect the avionics more than the finish. The Panthers were cleaned and polished to prevent skin corrosion between missions (when possible) nd they tended to keep their shine pretty well.
There's a fine line between "faded" and "too blue" I think people tend to think a dark blue fades to a "Blue Anglel's" color blue and that simply isn't the case. The color "Glossy Sea Blue" was extremely dark, and if it fades the "blue" isn't going to get brighter. There is someone making a whole series of Panther skins with various numbers.. in my opinion, those are "too blue" But there is a wide range of options and some people got their impression of what looks "right" from color plates or other painted images that usually are very blue since its very hard to shade such a dark base color..
Either way Highlander, you need to make a skin pack of your VF-192 Skins with 12 different numbers and bundle them together
There's a fine line between "faded" and "too blue" I think people tend to think a dark blue fades to a "Blue Anglel's" color blue and that simply isn't the case. The color "Glossy Sea Blue" was extremely dark, and if it fades the "blue" isn't going to get brighter. There is someone making a whole series of Panther skins with various numbers.. in my opinion, those are "too blue" But there is a wide range of options and some people got their impression of what looks "right" from color plates or other painted images that usually are very blue since its very hard to shade such a dark base color..
Either way Highlander, you need to make a skin pack of your VF-192 Skins with 12 different numbers and bundle them together
18.05.2009, 14:56
Is that a hint Jagr ?? :wink:
18.05.2009, 16:37
For a second I thought maybe you made them.. no, it was Bolter... phew! There's so many various colors now that everyone can get something that looks "right" to them.. and thats a good thing..
There's so many various colors now that everyone can get something that looks "right" to them.. and thats a good thing..
19.05.2009, 20:18
GJE52 makes the point quite well. I am a professional photographer and I am using two color calibrated monitors. One is CRT and the other is LCD. Each is calibrated correctly with adobe equipment and software yet each looks very different despite that! Which is exactly why I have this set up. So I can see what a color will look like for my clients when they view it on any type of monitor or in a photo print.
I also have multiple computers with various monitor set ups and from them I have tried to get the blue as close as I could to what I see in the color pictures and video of F9F's. I have a color sample .psd that I have used for years for all USN/USMC aircraft from 1944 through 1955. Sometimes I adjust it to one or the other end of the blue spectrum to simulate wear and sun bleaching.
And as was said, it is complicated even further that the in game drivers make the colors look different from what they do in photoshop or windows. Add in that the game is a 3D simulator. We have to MODEL shine, reflection and color depth. Compensating for this we have to use tones lighter and darker to give the illusion of refraction. Tough indeed. We have skinners who do this well and others who cannot seem to get past one dimensional appearances.
Some of the aircraft skins I have seen look positively black rather than blue. Others are so far into the green end of the spectrum of blue that they don't look right either. To me that is...
In the end it all depends on you the viewer. What ever satisfies you is what matters. I manage to get colors right for my clients, most of whom are brides. If you like a skin's color tones then download it. If not then download some other skins.
I also have multiple computers with various monitor set ups and from them I have tried to get the blue as close as I could to what I see in the color pictures and video of F9F's. I have a color sample .psd that I have used for years for all USN/USMC aircraft from 1944 through 1955. Sometimes I adjust it to one or the other end of the blue spectrum to simulate wear and sun bleaching.
And as was said, it is complicated even further that the in game drivers make the colors look different from what they do in photoshop or windows. Add in that the game is a 3D simulator. We have to MODEL shine, reflection and color depth. Compensating for this we have to use tones lighter and darker to give the illusion of refraction. Tough indeed. We have skinners who do this well and others who cannot seem to get past one dimensional appearances.
Some of the aircraft skins I have seen look positively black rather than blue. Others are so far into the green end of the spectrum of blue that they don't look right either. To me that is...
In the end it all depends on you the viewer. What ever satisfies you is what matters. I manage to get colors right for my clients, most of whom are brides. If you like a skin's color tones then download it. If not then download some other skins.
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