But do a few otherse wish people would put some of their undeniable talent and effort going into complete fantasy planes like the G10NI and various Luft '46 designs into actual airplanes that actually flew? There are lots of important aircraft which actually contributed in WW2 which are missing (Helldiver, Ki-44, Defiant, Meteor, etc). There are other planes (like the J7W, G8N, Me-264, B-35, B-36, Vampire) which could realistically be placed in hypothetical '46+ scenarios - and I hope they get finished. But the G10N1? Of course Oleg himself started this with the Lerche.
The other problem I have with putting totally paper planes into this sim is that there is no way a FM and DM can be realistically developed. Manufacturer's estimates are notoriously optimistic.
I actually LIKE fantasy planes, and wouldn't mind seeing them in an add-on to this sim. But in that case, I'd just as soon see modders design their own or work with other fictional designs like those in Crimson Skies (or Indiana Jones' Bv38) as put a lot of effort into "real" designs which would never have been produced in real life.
I love "paper planes" but, I'm with him on this 1. The time used to make the G10N1 would much better be spent on a JU-86, proper bomber versions of the JU-52, or new JU-88s. But thats my opinion.
Personally, I have no problems with fantasy "paper planes" making their way into the game. I would prefer to see more actual WWII planes, but I will never snub my nose at any new aircraft someone releases, and I will use every single one of them, "paper plane" or not. I would rather see the Helldiver or the Marauder than Korean War aircraft to be sure, but I still use the Korean era jets and enjoy having them.
As to EasyRider's post, I agree with him in principle, but the delivery left something to be desired. Granted, I lurk more than I post, but I was always under the impression that a forum such as this one was a way for players and modders alike to communicate their wants for the game. I think a person should have every right to express how they would rather have X than Y in the game without being accused of whining and fickle complaining (as long as their posts are respectful). Not everyone has the talent, much less the money and time, to do serious modding work (I tried it for the game Fleet Command and just couldn't pull it off), but that doesn't mean that those of us who can't mod should be denied a voice in what we'd like to see.
Don't worry too much about the wet dream-waffe types. Almost none of them will actually get to completion. They will just remain a bunch of lengthy WiP threads, with pages of kids asking for updates and kneejerk accolades from the Hooray for Everything crowd.
it is entirely up to the individual modder to decide what he/she works on.
Nobody gets paid for their work on this site, and it's purely out of their own interest they're making the 3d models, the effects mods, etc.
The thing is actually getting the planes into the game, there are few modders with the knowledge to take the mods the whole way from concept to flyable plane in IL-2, so it's usually a team effort to some extent.
The problem the "fantasy" planes have, is the they rarely get support from all the modders required, and therefore usually end up collecting virtual dust on a virtual shelf somewhere in a forgotten corner of somebody's harddrive...
Granted, there are lots of planes that need to be done, but it's again all up to the modders to choose what they want, but the more needed the plane is, the more likely it is to actually get the support from others to actually spend the time, their own time, to incorporate it into the game.
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Arctic
I personally Agree with you, I would rather see petes, G8M, ki-51, ki-48, J2F, B-18, and so on, but as much as I would like to see these planes in the game, I don't beleive it is right to tell modders what they can or cannot make. If someone wants to make a "paper airplane" then I don't think we should tell them not to. It is their time, effort, and determination which they are using, and they should be able to use it as they please.
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all i see is whining on both sides
how about somethng posotive?
ill try any new ac out fantasy or not just for the thrills
To clarify, I do not mean to criticize those who have the skill and knowledge to make mods. I don't, and am unlikely to ever have the time or patience to learn. I too will probably download and fly the G10N when and if it is available, but I will always wonder why that effort was not put into the G5N or G8N, Japanese heavy bomber prototypes which actually flew, or the B-36. I appreciate Hannable69's defense. I suspect the people who use AAA and frequent this board are not modders, but just e-pilots who want to enjoy an improved version of Il2. I appreciate everyone who does this.
Good discussion.
I only want to add that even the Lerche is not a "paper" or "fantasy" plane (unless I am wrong about these terms carrying some kind of pejorative tone).
1) Aeronautical Engineers worked on and designed these aircraft, not school kids doodling "cool" looking planes on their note books.
2) Many of these designs--and I mean many--went on to be further developed in the postwar years by the United States and the USSR.
3) This experimentation was greatly accelerated because of the war and so I would argue that these planes are part of that history.
4) These kinds of planes were so important during WWII and also during the Cold War that many, many pilots were killed testing them. So, they were not simply failed marginalized ideas--even if they were never deployed.
5) Experimental aircraft highlights the problems that aeronautical engineers were trying to solve--even if they were "failures."
I find this aircraft extremely interesting even though I recognize the problem in simulating FMs.
So, while I see jzoopster49's point and I appreciate it, I have to say that there already dozens and dozens of historical planes in the game--and most of the important ones.
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