[QWE]

WHY shoots ME-262 full salvo of R4M rockets????

that what i always f"""""d me :???: ,i see enemy single plane and i dont have ammo to 30mm cannons so i shot R4Ms and ME-262 shoots ALL 24 rockets!!!!!! of course im downed the plane,but can someone do with this bug something
i had the IL-2 Forgotten Battles before and i knew there ME-262 shoots 2 rockets on one press the button!

plz can help someone with everything??? this is very important!!

[bohr-r]

HI QWE,

I have the same problem and posted about it before, but I did not get a useful suggestion then.

Somehow, the mode of firing those R4M rockets from the Me-262 was changed in the programming from Forgotten Battles to Il-2 1946.

I would really like to know how one can switch it back to firing only pairs of rockets instead of firing all 24 at once.

Regards,

RB

[P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole]

i think there may be a mod being worked on which rectifys that. However at the same time, the salvo of 24 was used to scatter bomber formations, where a huge buckshot like spread of explosive rockets was a good way to make the bomber formations scatter.

[kind boy]

as far as i know in reality it was so... i mean shot of all 24 rockets at once
and as far as i remember, in forgotten battles me-262 shooted all rockets too
sry for bad english

[QWE]

i think there may be a mod being worked on which rectifys that. However at the same time, the salvo of 24 was used to scatter bomber formations, where a huge buckshot like spread of explosive rockets was a good way to make the bomber formations scatter.

YES THATS NICE ,BUT WITH 12 times SHOOTED I

[Stratodog]

Firing all 24 rockets from the Me262 is historically accurate. Here's a link to the Wikipedia page about the R4M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M_rocket
and the key line from the article is... "The R4Ms were usually fired in four salvos of six missiles at intervals of 0.07 seconds from a range of 600 m"
An interval of 0.07 seconds would be very close to a simultaneous launch of all 24 rockets.

[P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole]

[quote="P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole"]i think there may be a mod being worked on which rectifys that. However at the same time, the salvo of 24 was used to scatter bomber formations, where a huge buckshot like spread of explosive rockets was a good way to make the bomber formations scatter.

YES THATS NICE ,BUT WITH 12 times SHOOTED I

[QWE]

u know i wrote this topic because im flying online on server 4,08 Jets sometimes
and with no ammo on 30mm guns the full rocketsalvo is useless for me if i missed

[P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole]

so? It doesn't make it a bug. You can propperly waste a bomber with the salvo, but the correct useage of the r4m's has been said. Trouble is, the ai doesn't react properly and at any rate there are never enough planes on screen to simulate the sorts of formations that the salvos would have attempted to break up.

[JG14_Jagr]

The rockets are not very accurate.. They were not precision weapons to specifically aim and have them hit where you aimed..not at all. Shooting 24 together was in hopes of actually getting hits by letting volume make up for its accuracy issues..

[HH_Cipher]

server 4,08 Jets sometimes

I assume our Jets server?

You wont hit our looneys and some of the other pilots in there with R4M's, ive tried.

[bohr-r]

Hi All,

Thank you for your informative replies. So does that mean that firing only two R4M rockets at a time, as portrayed in earlier versions of the Il-2 game, is historically inaccurate? I remember watching an interview with Adolf Galland, where he mentioned that the Me-262 pilots had to line up an enemy bomber and fire a salvo of rockets at that plane. However, was that the only way these rockets were used? If the full 24-rocket salvo is the only historically accurate mode of use for this weapon, then that's how it should be in the game. But if there were other ways of firing them, perhaps these could be modeled, too?

Regards,

RB

[VonBarb.]

I've only read accounts mentionning the R4Ms were fired in 24 rockets salvos. Judging by the size of just one rocket and the relative lack of accuracy, I doubt firing jsut a pair at a time would have had any measurable effect anyway.
According to Galland himself, bombers shot down from direct hits by salvos of 24 were nothing but lucky shots, so I can't imagine why they'd have wanted to divide their chances by 12...

Cheers

Nico

[OberstDanjeje]

Osprey Aviation Elite 27 - JV44

Adolf Galland recounted;
'On the Me 262, we could mount the R4M outside of the turbines
under the wings, 12 on each side, with little aerodynamic disturbance.
They were fired via a switch relay in 0.03-second gaps, the rockets being
aimed in exactly the same way as the MK 108, with a natural dispersion of
about 35 square metres. But on account ofthe arrangement ofthe rockets,
a shotgun-like pattern was made creating a rectangle around the bomber.
One hit - any hit - no matter where it was scored, sufficed to destroy a
four-engined bomber.
'The loss ofspeed from the Me 262 as a result ofmounting the R4M was
insignificant. The rocket projectiles were mounted with an upward
inclination ofeight degrees and fired some 600 metres from the target. At
this range they had the same ballistics as MK 108 cannon shells. When
you fired them, you just heard "ssssshhhh" - just a whisper.'
Johannes Steinhoff recalled even greater range capability;
'The great advantage of the rockets was that although their speed only
slightly exceeded that of sound, they could be let off 1100 metres away
from the target - and when fired from this range they represented a
field-of-fire in excess of 30 metres x 14 metres. This meant that by
releasing all his rockets at once against a close formation of bombers, a
pilot couldn't miss. We had, at last, the means not only ofcombating these
hitherto almost unassailable formations, but ofdestroying them too. But
- and it is a big "but" - it was "five minutes to twelve", in other words early
April 1945, before we got the rocket armament, and then only enough to
equip a few aircraft.'

[78thFG_Doodle]

There is a photo out there of a Me-262 that fired the R4M's at a Liberator. Just horrifying to think about. Here's a picture I took of the rockets on a 262 that was restored last year.

Blue Skies,