How do you end WWIII
#1

The storyline for my WWIII 1946 campaign has reached a point where the NATO Allies have used there vast invasion forces to isolate the Soviet Forces in Southern France, Northern Europe and the Mideast.

By amphibious invasions of Trieste, Murmansk, Riga and Novorossiysk (Black Sea)and a strategic bombing campaign they have left the vast majority of the Red Army on foot and starving far from home.

They are poised to take Kursk, Belgorod, Smolensk and Stalingrad in early September, 1947.

The US has 7 Fat Boy and Little Man Nukes available for use.

Stalin has declared that the WWIII will be won at Stalingrad.

My inclination is to nuke Stalingrad and have Stalin assassinated and everyone go home after the appropriate changes in the Soviet government are made ala Germany and Japan.

I would like your suggestions as to how to end this story.
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#2

Russian winter freezes everything, including NATO. Soviets win. End.
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#3

Romanator Wrote:Russian winter freezes everything, including NATO. Soviets win. End.

+ 1 Big Grin
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#4

Stalin would never declare war on U.S. before early fifties. The Soviet simply had no nukes.

When you think about alternate 1945/1950 east/west scenario's (exept Korean war) you might think about something in Greece (civil war involvment). Also a border conflict between Finland and Soviet might be possible wit h help form Norway and England. The Zapolar map from some anonymous russian modder is really a VERY NICE map and soutable for some alternate conflict.
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Hairog Wrote:The US has 7 Fat Boy and Little Man Nukes available for use.

Names are a little switched there :wink:

Weren't they called Fat Man and Little Boy?

Anyway, I agree with the russian winter... although a nuclear winter would probably be more likely if it had been a prolonged war :roll:
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#6

Stalin assassinated by his Red Army . the people starving . Big Grin
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#7

For the end, I would have the Russkies get their A-bomb a year and so earlier (with help of captured Nazi scientists), publicly test one, and a negotiated peace results, and everyone goes home to fight their historical proxy wars.

It seems that the A-bomb historically changed warfare by making large wars with those armed with nuclear arms obsolete...ie. there was no war between the US and USSR (two major warring powers and they never went to war against one another (only proxy wars). If my history is right (and it may not be) this was the first time in history that two huge competing, opposite ideology enemy powers never went to war with eachother. The Soviets detonated their real A-bomb in August of 1949
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#8

Where do the Chinese fit in?

After '48 you have a Communist China.
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#9

Dudok22 Wrote:
Romanator Wrote:Russian winter freezes everything, including NATO. Soviets win. End.

+ 1 Big Grin

Russian winter thawed by thermo-nuclear blasts.

Nato wins. End.

LOL.

Actually, this is one of my favourite "what if's"...that and what if Britain and France had abandoned Poland - or had not treaty with her...and Hitler did not move west...instead he went East and only fought the USSR. Would we see Allied Lendlease convoys heading to Germany to help fight the communist scourge?
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#10

Germans get nuclear warheads on V2s and start launching them like confetti. Everyone dies except the US, which is semi irradiated. End.
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wimsma Wrote:Stalin would never declare war on U.S. before early fifties. The Soviet simply had no nukes.

When you think about alternate 1945/1950 east/west scenario's (exept Korean war) you might think about something in Greece (civil war involvment). Also a border conflict between Finland and Soviet might be possible wit h help form Norway and England. The Zapolar map from some anonymous russian modder is really a VERY NICE map and soutable for some alternate conflict.

I beg to differ. See the discussion and my storyline at this post... viewtopic.php?t=22797

Then get back to me if you want. I would really like to hear more of you reasoning.

Lefty: In 1946 the communist Chinese were barley a functioning state. They would have no part to play.

Ordway: Your idea is a good one. I'll think about it.
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#12

I would push the Israeli conflict up two years, and have NATO deny involvment in the crisis. After winning the war, but taking heavy casualties, the Israelis launch a raid against a base in the middle-east where US nukes are being stored, detonating them. The Red Army kills off Stalin, but the Soviet Union is split over who should take over. The Red Army wins at Stalingrad, but are crushed at Smolensk and Kursk. The forces that were intended for Belgorod are diverted to Stalingrad, which they find in a civil war. They aid the RDR (Russian Democratic Revolution) and trap the Reds in southern half of the city. The Reds surrender, but the RDR turns on their NATO allies, push them out of the city. Stalingrad is nuked, and Russia splits into several smaller nations.
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#13

Having bidded their time and husband their resources carefully the Swiss strike! With the the Nato supply line cut and the Soviet army already defeated both armed forces quickly collapse under waves Swiss bicycle troops. With hundred of thousands of US service men has hostages US nuclear and air power is negated. WWIII is over in a month in a stunning Swiss Victory. The 20th Century will be called the Swiss Century.
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#14

Japan had already fallen after an invasion that had killed nearly half of it's population, and over one half million Allied soldiers, sailors and airmen.
Truman paced back and forth in the Oval Office. He regreted not using the Bomb on Japan. He should have listened to his advisors.
They were now telling him he can't make the same mistake against the Russians. He sat alone, staring at the white walls of his office. Then, he looked down at the telephone, studying it, as if he expected it to tell him what to do. Finally he reached out for it.
"Get me General Marshall, please!"
At the Kremlin, Joseph Stalin sat listening to two of his scientists. They had just come back from the Nuclear testing grounds in Siberia. They had good news. Their Atomic bomb, was ready.
Placing spies in the middle of Americas' Manhatten Project had paid off, wonderfully.
Stalin knew the United States had the Bomb. He could not understand why they had not used it. The Americans had always been too soft, he thought. It will be their downfall. He would not be so merciful with his new weapon!
Suddeny, air raid sirens, were blasting throughout Moscow.
"Premier, we must get to a shelter!" said Antonov Yatsev, the lead scientist on The Bomb project.
"Bah!" Said Stalin," Another damn reconaissance flight. It's been every day for two weeks!"
He got out of his seat and walked over to the large window that overlooked the entire city. After I destroy the United States, I will build my citeis back to what they used to be. The Soviet Union will be the most powerful country on Earth!
The last the Joseph Stalin saw, was a light...a light brighter than the sun.
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#15

Three targets were hit that day. Moscow, Stalingrad and Kiev. It it still not known what the death toll was from these attacks, made by high flying B-29s launced from Japan. The destruction of all three cities was complete.
In the field, word of the attacks filtered back to Russias fighting forces. Shock, disbelief and grief was experienced by every man and woman.
In some areas, officers rallied their men and told them that the Americans would pay. In others , the shock was too overwhelming.
Where they rallied, the Russians launched violent, suicidal offensives which destroyed entire divisions. They believed they had no homeland to return to, and that it would be better to die in battle than to return to the wasteland that had been their home, and families. One of them was General Zhukov, who died leading a tank assault that was wiped out by American jet fighter bombers.
Other units surrendered by the thousands, believing that there was no point in continuing to fight for a country and government that no longer existed.
Less than a week after the Atomic attacks, The Soviet Union ceased to be a military force.
A long ,bloody World War was over.
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