[Guest]

Well, I only got the two requests... I've got one last thing to do on it to send the final, but they already have the beta version... Oh, I plan to add something that will be a huge help to the community later. It will be a surprise. :wink:

[HEERDT]

[quote="max_thehitman"]ROLFMAO !!! That

[caldrail]

I've done a couple of experimental skins to demonstrate my point about roundels vs battle flags. You might not like them - thats okay, I'm not fussed, but have a look anyhow and say what you will...

First up is a P40 in bare metal of the Tennessee Group.



Now a flight of the Volunteer Wing heads out over the Appalachians in generic olive drab.



A B24 of the Alabama group, hastily painted to reduce confusion with olive bombers of the USAAF, heads out to bomb the railroad yards of Pennsylvania.



Modelling this years underwear, a P40 of the Georgia Group.




Now I'm not enough of an egoist to suggest my schemes are better than anyone elses. The point of these pics is to demonstrate that a roundel is very important. As much as the confederate battle flag is a rebellious icon and inspires much devotion, it remains a flag, not a roundel, and for the same reason that the RAF don't paint union jacks on their aircraft, neither should the battle flag make an appearance, whose detail is mostly invisible from a distance anyway.

You see the point? Well, I've said my piece. I quietly withdraw to the hangar.

[Sakai07]

good point, in the early years of WWI the English did paint union jacks on their air craft. I must assume that this was changed in favor of the roundel due to the nature of AA combat. Quick flashes of aircraft flying by necessitate the ability to quickly and accurately identify friend from foe. The confederate roundels should be as different as possible from US planes, and the ones in the pics above fit the bill nicely. just my $0.02!

[Bobbo]

Wow, again with the politics and bashing of me...

Okay, allow me to explain my thinking that more or less ties all of this together...

During the American Civil War, the Confederate States of America desperately needed French and British support. To gain this support, they only waged a defensive war by refusing to invade Union land. Unfortunately, the planned alliance failed due to the slavery issue when Abraham Lincoln made the Civil War into a war on slavery. However, the defensive fight led by the South allowed them to win what became the War of Nothern Aggression. The Union troops just couldn't win against guerilla forces in Southern lands. During the 1870's, there were a series of skirmishes along the new border between the two American nations. Both the Confederacy and the Union gathered as much land as possible. Notably, the Confederacy took Cuba and lands in what used to be Mexico reaching to the Pacific. In the 1880's, both the Confederacy and the Union prosper being able to trade to a global market. Although the Confederacy stays out of the First Great War due to lingering resentment for the lack of French and British support during the War of Northern Aggression and the inability of the Congress to declare war without approval of all of the states, they use the war to prosper via their crops. The Union joins the war at the last minute giving the Allies a much needed surge of troops. Both American nations celebrate prosperity in the 1920's followed by the Stock Market Crash and the international depression. Confederate slaves, fueled by Marxist teachings and economic issues, rebel all throughout the Confederacy and force the Confederacy to drop its former racist institutions, lest the Confederacy fail. Due to the growing turmoil overseas, both American nations form a military alliance that helps to industralize the South and provide the North with much needed supplies. The Second Great War begins, but isolationism is still strong in America and both Countries. Alliances are formed with France and Britain involving a lend lease system. The Union is attacked at Pearl Harbor by the Japanese and the United States of America joins the war. Although the Confederacy stays out of the fight, they start to build up a large national military for the first time since the War of Northern Aggression. Before that, only a relatively small force was maintained for national defense with most of the territorial gains being made through purchases, albeit shady ones premised upon threats of war and other low tactics. Aircraft factories for North American and Consolidated were allowed to be built in Texas under allowing that several aircraft went to the new Confederate Air Force which simply changed markings by using the special "flag and bar" roundel on just the port side as temporary wartime scheme. The Confederacy joined the war just in time for the invasion of France. The Confederacy joined the war in the Pacific late during the war and was quickly followed by the Soviet Union. The atomic bombs that had been developed by the Union were deployed against the Empire of Japan and the caved under pressure from this new weapon and the addition of two new opponents.

Nice try guy, but your thinking has flaws.

You have the South with a internal civil war in the 1930s civil War, you mean like:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War this? And this is with a South with a tradition of prolong, viscous guerrilla wars that prevent the victor for forcing a peace.

Ask yourself
Short of state terror like the Soviet Union in the '20s or Spain the '30s how else is South going to be governable in the 1940s?

The post 1930s civil war is going to mean the winner are the communist or the fascists, those are the only two flavors in the 1930s. Ayn Raynd hadn't even wrote Atlas Shrugs at the time so Libertarian isn't even a flavor on the menu. How will the North and the rest of the world react to the Union of Socialist States of America or a Greater American Homeland in the 1940s?

You got only two possible souths in the 1940s; one just slobbering anti-capitalists just filled with memories of slavery and the evils of capitalism or the other raving fascists filled with nightmares of a what they regard as a sub-human underclass coming to kill their betters and their families. Cozing up to the North because Japan bombed the North's pacific fleet Hawaii isn't going to come from that.

[Murph]

But in fact the South did not fight a strictly defensive war- they invaded Pennsylvania, and when they did, they seized many Afro-American citizens, many of whom had never been slaves, and sold them into slavery in the South. So much for the war having nothing to do with slavery.
I also don't see how an economy that is almost entirely agrarian can suddenly sprout aircraft factories, building exact replicas of the planes the Union was building.
I also think it important to separate the former "real" Confederate Air Force, now the Commemorative Air Force, from the fantasy one you are proposing. That organization has always eschewed any affiliation with fringe political groups that favor a return to the antebellum South or a revival of the CSA.

[max_thehitman]

GREAT Skins Caldrail Very nice!

[max_thehitman]

I wonder if with ALL this confusion with the war between the South and the North...

...CANADA DECIDES TO INVADE AMERICA !? hock:

[caldrail]

Ohmigosh! Since Canada was part of the British Empire and under the rule of good King George VI, that means that Britain is at war with the US!!!!

Churchill, have you no shame?

[George Formby]

S~ I'm tellin ya, you outta go to amazon and order you a copy of the CSI DVD, it will blow your mind, in the "parallel" time frame, the south won because the British intervened, Lincoln was arrested trying to flee to Canada with Harriet Tubman, during the WW1 timeframe the CSA decided to take out Mexico making that country apart of the great south, the Normandy Invasion failed causing Eisenhower to retire in disgrace and Churchill to retreat to Canada, the CSA struck up an alliance with Germany, teaching Hitler the good points about slavery as opposed to genocide, we still went to war with Japan and won, well you get the whole plot.... It also has real parts of our history that, if they had fell into place, the south may have won. It's an obscure movie, but it explores a big "WHAT IF....??" Worth the money if you ask me...

[Murph]

"Good points about slavery"? Good for who?

[George Formby]

"Good points about slavery"? Good for who?

one in every bunch!!!! ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!!, Look chum, it's a wanking discussion about a "what if" scenario, don't go trying to bring some political correct drivel into it......... I was talking about a bleeding movie, NOT PERSONAL political views, if you wanna hang on every word that's said, then you need to get a real life!! The biggest problem in todays society is the people who get online, in a flight sim forum no less, and make an issue out of the way someone carries a conversation.....

[Murph]

With all due respect, I don't think condemning slavery qualifies as "politically correct drivel". I've a right to my opinion, and you need not agree. Showing consideration for the feelings of others is not political correctness, it's simple good manners.
And by the way yes, I do understand that you are just talking about a "what if" scenario.

[George Formby]

With all due respect, I don't think condemning slavery qualifies as "politically correct drivel". I've a right to my opinion, and you need not agree. Showing consideration for the feelings of others is not political correctness, it's simple good manners.
And by the way yes, I do understand that you are just talking about a "what if" scenario.

You miss the point, it was not a discussion, I was mentioning a movie, not speaking on behalf of slavery, I could give 2 hoots about it, it happened over 100+ years ago, way before my time, your trying to get consideration for what??? Trying to bring my explanation of a movie into the realm of supporting slavery??? If your looking for consideration of your feelings, go to DR. Phil, I am not debating slavery!!! Just mentioning a movie, jeeesh, like I said, one in every crowd. What do ya want a pat on the back because you condemned slavery??? Well your in the wrong place, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FLIGHT SIM CAMPAIGN!!! Go hug a tree on yahoo chat pal.

[Murph]

I'm not talking about my own feelings. My feelings are not hurt. Enough said about the matter.