[aviatorsneah]

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[fuaaalt]

Excellent.

[Ectoflyer]

Thank you, very good! (and nice pic! :wink: )

[GeneralPsycho]

Pardon for my ignorance, but Russians fighting for Nazis is just outrageous.

[fuaaalt]

Pardon for my ignorance, but Russians fighting for Nazis is just outrageous.

How so? Germany was allowing for religious freedom for Orthodox Christian people. The atheist Soviet was not. Germany was well-received in many parts of Russia.

[Cracken]

Pardon for my ignorance, but Russians fighting for Nazis is just outrageous.

Haven't you heard of general Vlasov before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov

Although his army fought against Soviets, they turned against Germans in May 1945 and saved Prague uprising from bloodshed.

[baronbutcher]

Just notice, just a thought no offence. It always bugs me when people state Nazis or Facist and state Russians in the same sentence not Communist or Red Army. If you say Germans then Russians would be appropiate. Doco's on TV jump from Nazi Army to German Army, Imperial Japan with the US Army etc. Is it just to demonize things more? Hitler's or Stalin's Army but you never hear for example the US Army as Bush's Army, (ok not in power now!) or Capitalist Army etc. Strange in WW2 stating Red Army seems OK but after WW2 the Russians aren't looked upon as foudly being referred to as the Red Army or Communist Armies vs the US ARMY etc. In WW2 (and before) The Communist for just as bad as the Nazis for alot of countries. Sure the Nazis had to be fought and beaten and the Communist allies but there was a lot of blind eyes and head turn and excuses made to accommendate this certain ally. Not all Russians were keen on Stalin just as all Germans weren't for Hitler if they knew what all was going on. Just a thought. Sorry don't mean to get heavy. Now into my Finnish fighter - where are those Reds!

[max_thehitman]

WOW! That looks good. I don

[agracier]

Pardon for my ignorance, but Russians fighting for Nazis is just outrageous.

Being born a certain nationality does not predicate unwavering allegiance to that nationality. Geographical birth locations do not really have anything to do with how people experience allegiance to nations and governments. This has far more to do with how governments treat their subjects and/or citizens. Which is why tyrannies of any kind, be they fascist, communist, religious or capitalist, left or right-wing, governments that oppress their citizens will generally be their own cause of generating and creating opposition to their rule.

The main reason there were not more Russians fighting on the Axis side is that National Socialist ideology predicated racial treatment of Russians on just as awful a scale as did Soviet ideology. These people were therefore caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place, having to choose between the devil or the deep blue sea. Whatever choice they made, they ended up losing.

[ddr1]

I hope isn't too off topic, from wikipedia:

[...] The ROA was organized by former Red Army general Andrey Vlasov, who tried to unite Russians opposed to the Communist regime. Amidst the [b]volunteers were Soviet prisoners of war, and White Russian

[KG64_Cnopicilin]

Nice skin.

[McHilt]

I hope isn't too off topic, from wikipedia

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Great skin!

[aviatorsneah]

thanks guys... someone here on AAA requested this skin months and months ago. Sorry I forgot who, I think the thread requesting it had been long deleted. I completed it but then forgot (or didn't get around to) uploading it. So here it is, I blew the dust off it and uploaded it finally.

I too found it interesting that Russians flew for the Luftwaffe and were even allowed to wear their own insignia on the tail instead of the swastika. And it was true, after the war was over, these RLA pilots (and soldiers alike) were punished SEVERELY as traitors by the victorious Soviet Union.

[Messer]

The skin is excellent and a very interesting subject, thanks!

[ROSOBORONEXPORTCORP]

Pardon for my ignorance, but Russians fighting for Nazis is just outrageous.

Being born a certain nationality does not predicate unwavering allegiance to that nationality. Geographical birth locations do not really have anything to do with how people experience allegiance to nations and governments. This has far more to do with how governments treat their subjects and/or citizens. Which is why tyrannies of any kind, be they fascist, communist, religious or capitalist, left or right-wing, governments that oppress their citizens will generally be their own cause of generating and creating opposition to their rule.

The main reason there were not more Russians fighting on the Axis side is that National Socialist ideology predicated racial treatment of Russians on just as awful a scale as did Soviet ideology. These people were therefore caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place, having to choose between the devil or the deep blue sea. Whatever choice they made, they ended up losing.

I'd disagree about the idea that the choices were anywhere near being comparably bad.

It is pretty clear that the NAZI Germans were bent on genocide throughout the region. They killed all captured officers and officials, conducted massive reprisals against civilians and slaughtered holocaust victims. From planning documents it is clear that their long term intentions were to wipe out most of the population. They did enrol some troops from Eastern Europe - but this was largely an act of desperation due to the need for manpower on the eastern front. It should be remembered that they also employed Jewish collaborators within the concentration camps.

There were many downsides to the Soviet Union - but genocide never really materialised. One thing that can be said about the Soviet Union was that they persecuted all groups relatively equally. If you were from an ethnic minority, you could be made an example of (but the same was largely true for "ethnic russians"). If you were a general member of the public you could be arrested on trumped up charges (but the same was true for party members). True socialist equality.

An odd irony is that one had a better chance of survival in a Gulag than in the Russian army until about 1942. Cold war propaganda aside it was a very tough fight and necessary. Life in the Soviet Union, was in comparison, very pleasant.