[max_thehitman]

As requested...

Skin - FW-Ta 183 = USA NAVY 1946
Hope you enjoy it.

Cheers
MAX

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[Hairog]

Oh my. Very nice.

Thank you.

[kg64v_Silent Strika]

working your way through the '46 planes?

[Hairog]

Here's a post from another reply that explains my thinking on who gets what plane in WWIII 1946.

Any comments would be appreciated.

"It was by need mostly.

All the fast short range interceptors went to the Soviets. They had no need for long range escorts because they didn't have a strategic bombing campaign. Planes like the Me163 and the Lerche were naturals. They also had their own planes in the works like the Yak 7R and the B-6. All short range interceptors.

Why did they need interceptors? Because of the eventual NATO strategic bombing campaign against their oil production. This is a huge part of the NATO strategy.

I also gave them the AR234 because they need some kind of bomber that can compete with other jets. I am using it as kind of a Russian Mosquito for special missions and anti-naval missions which will become very important in the future.

As modeled the ME 162 is actually a wonderful plane. Fast, sporty and has decent range. They will need this as an alternative to their own front-line fighters.

NATO got the ME 262 just because it was used mostly in the Western theatre and the old German pilots that come with them fighting for their homeland.

The GO229 goes to NATO too as a replacement for the Mosquito for special missions and as a Naval bomber. The SBD and TBA just won't cut it in a jet filled world.

I see the DO335 as being a good fast fighter bomber for NATO and a replacement for the Jug in the fast paced world of WWIII.

The TA13 is a toss up but because of it's size and all the missions I envision for the NAVY it's going to be primarily a carrier asset eventually.

The most problematic plane for me is the Lerche. It is devastating to bomber formations and there is no good counter for it. It is nasty with those wire guided missiles as is the TA183. Quite frankly any bombing campaign will fail if those two are let loose among a bomber stream.

The ME 163 is no joke either. The YP80 is actually faster but cannot come close to turning with it. It's a real hard little bugger to hit in a dogfight. Luckily it can't fly for a long period of time.

Just as it happened in real life NATO has to figure out a way to catch the Lerche and ME 163 on the ground, taking off or landing. They are real little devils in the air and if you don't keep them busy dogging escorts they will blow big holes in your bombers."

[max_thehitman]

Its interesting how you devided the aircraft types to which sides and countries.
You got it correct.
At the end of World War II, most countries got "the (German) treasures" depending where they were
actually found at , or captured at.
The cold war between the allies had already begun, back in late 1944, even as the war still raged on.

There are numerous accounts in the last days of WWII, where Russian pilots were already shooting at American
airplanes AND with German fighters already mixed in the dogfights!
The great ace Hartmann, spoke of such an account between Russians and Americans just a few hours before he was to surrender to the allied forces.
On that last day (his last flight of WW2), he shot down his last airplane (352 victories) but then he saw both allied fighter planes around him going at each other ! Russians against Americans! He decided it was time to leave the fight.

As for the treasures...
The US forces knowing that the Russians really wanted to attack Berlin for revenge for
having the Germans invade Russia, they politely let them have it, but (General Ike) was really after their
tecnological treasures and wonder-weapons.
There was no time to waste, as the lines on the map (The new post-war European map)
had already been drawn up even before the Germans had surrendered.
Most of the "Wonder-weapons" and secret mountain factories were in Soviet territory, so Gen. Ike sent his soldiers to
the South of Germany to capture and bring back as many treasures as
possible before the german territory was to be handed over to the russian forces.

That is how the Americans and British got their hands on so many important new weapons and german
scientists. But the Russians also got lucky and captured numerous other weapons that the allies didn

[Hairog]

Very good and interesting information Max. Thank you.

Looks like I guessed right. Not by design but by necessity.

That wire guided missile on the Lerche and TA 183 is one wicked weapon. I don't think that the NATO bombing campaign can stand up to it. I'll have to figure out a way to use it for a while and then have it disappear.

I'm thinking of having the head missile designer die along with his creations in a MI6 sneak attack. The freeking AI gets 75% kill ration with it against B29s. It really is devastating.

[Lefty Hartnett]

Nice one Max----

[max_thehitman]

Very good and interesting information Max. Thank you.

Looks like I guessed right. Not by design but by necessity.

That wire guided missile on the Lerche and TA 183 is one wicked weapon. I don't think that the NATO bombing campaign can stand up to it. I'll have to figure out a way to use it for a while and then have it disappear.

I'm thinking of having the head missile designer die along with his creations in a MI6 sneak attack. The freeking AI gets 75% kill ration with it against B29s. It really is devastating.

LMAO You cannot kill the head missile designer in a MI6 sneak attack!
If you kill Werner Von Braun , there will
be no NASA... no space-race between the super-powers... no space rockets.... or the man on the moon! LOL
Go kill Goering instead.
He

[Hairog]

No just the guy that works on the wire guided missile. Those things are way too good.

[JG54Spookie]

No just the guy that works on the wire guided missile. Those things are way too good.

That was Dr. Max Kramer, who also designed the famous Fritz X guided bomb. Your '46 story is cool by the way. I've envisioned a similar scenario before, except mine's a little more fantasy-like:

In mid 1944, Franklin Roosevelt dies unexpectedly, leaving the 'anti-Soviet' Harry Truman the Presidency of the US. Relations between the US and USSR degrade over the next few months. The Wehrmacht, long disillusioned with the Nazis (that's actually true), approach the allies with a peace offer and the Americans muscle the British to accept a cease-fire with the Germans. Meanwhile the Soviets reject the decision and split with the allies and invades Germany anyway. Since part of Germany is now backed by the allies, the Germans are being assisted by the US and UK. Neither country wishes to risk open war with the Soviets, so only "accidental" confrontations take place, whilst giving the Germans humanitarian, financial and industrial aide. By early 1945 the Nazis in western Germany have been arrested and German scientists are beginning to share their work with the allies. The Nazis still remain in control of eastern Germany, which is rapidly being overrun by the Soviets. In May, 1945 the Nazis make a last stand in Berlin, which ends up with Hitler committing suicide and unconditional surrender. The US, UK, and West Germany are now nose-to-nose with the Soviets along an unofficial frontier running through Germany. A stalemate is effectively reached, but recon flights from both sides result in an unofficial airwar that lasts for several years. In the meantime, German scientists captured by the Russians are yielding much new technology and a new arms race begins that worsens this new 'Cold War'. Soon, the Soviets create a new country from their occupied part of Germany, and the West refuses to recognize it as anything other than occupation zone. The allies station forces in Germany to help protect it from Russia and the East, and the rest is history...

A little fantastical, I know, but my job is boring, so I need something to daydream about :wink:

[Hairog]

Good storyline. I like it.

Thanks for the name of the scientist. Now I have somone to kill.

[Serpiko]

Very good and interesting information Max. Thank you.
That wire guided missile on the Lerche and TA 183 is one wicked weapon. I don't think that the NATO bombing campaign can stand up to it. I'll have to figure out a way to use it for a while and then have it disappear.
I'm thinking of having the head missile designer die along with his creations in a MI6 sneak attack. The freeking AI gets 75% kill ration with it against B29s. It really is devastating.

If I can suggest, alternatively to project leader assassination, you could dedicate a specific mission to neutralization of the missile threat.

Let's suppose that wired missiles require components/technology which is not yet available in the USSR. So, while building their own production plants, the Russians are forced to product missiles only in those german factories they captured. These factories must necessarily be in former german territory, in the Alps, or maybe in Hungary... anyway, they're somewhat close to the front line. If western intelligence can locate the factories, they're likely to become primary targets for a massive air attack, be it a high altitude large scale carpet bombing, a low level night raid, or both of them.

Once captured factories have been destroyed, Russians find themselves shorts on missiles, 'cause they're not able to start homeland production yet. So they have to save their remaining missiles, first equipping only flight leaders with them, and eventually using missiles only to defend extremely critical objectives.

Do you think this scenario is plausible?

PS Besides, I easily figure out a missile engineer (no matter if russian or german) who, willing to escape from communist domination, defects to the west trading missile projects for his own protection.

[max_thehitman]

I like this idea very much.
One mission you could have a truck convoy and you will be asked to destroy a
perticular truck in the convoy which have the "mad scientists" in it. Only when you destroy
that truck will the mission be over.
Or perhaps destroy a certain house/building in a city which has the scientists working on the
Uranium laboratory to make the Atomic-bombs.

That would be a nice mission
You the mission builder Hairog , you give it a try

[Hairog]

Good ideas Serpiko.

I was going to have the factory in Sevastopol since that is where the Lerches are going to be based from while they try and stem the massive NATO bombing campaign.

I was going to have a DO335 mission wack the guy and factory.

My only problem with having the factory in Gemany is that by the time the bombing campaign takes place all of Western Europe is in Soviet hands except for Spain. I'll have to look at distances etc.

But I could easily move it somewhere else more logical.

Ah the beauty of fiction.