[MOG_Marty]

here is another old one i did. i made a little tribute desktop pic as well (probly should have spent more time on it ) and a little history about Erich Hartman. Enjoy!

Download link http://www.mediafire.com/?1cgmytz1wzm

[KG64_Cnopicilin]

Awesome! I love that camo!

[jak24610]

I must complain.

Is this camo even historical on erich hartmann?

And where are the kill markings?

[KG64_Cnopicilin]

I must complain.

Is this camo even historical on erich hartmann?

And where are the kill markings?

Google is your friend. If the title says 'erich hartmann' it is most likely to be historical...

[MOG_Marty]

the research i did on this skin (ages ago ) didnt show any kill markings, thats not to say he didnt have them on some aircraft

[Phas3e]

As a general rule its best to skin from photographs or you can just end up making the same mistakes as the guy who did the profile.

There is a photo series using this aircraft (probably stills taken from a film) I've only got a couple of the stills handy but from what I see it had a 1/3 White on black spinner
and was a Late 1943 production Regensburg aircraft very much like these





One thing though your markings have far to much opacity, you can see everything underneath them, if you think the markings are too bright try saturating them instead, it works for me

All in all a good effort, keep it up

[BravoFxTrt]

Another nice one Marty, Thanks Bud.

[_Harpia_Mafra55_]

the research i did on this skin (ages ago ) didnt show any kill markings, thats not to say he didnt have them on some aircraft

Good skin but....

the markings are transparent and the crosses are linked at the top of the fuselage. According to the profile they are incorrect.

[Blasph-Mossquitty]

Oh please. What a piece of work and Nazi Propaganda. Good camo scheme, but I'm pretty sure the man only got around 110 kills, and the rest were credited to him by the freaking Nazis' propaganda bull-ogna. There is absolutely no way he came up with 352 victories, unless he got most of them butchering unescorted IL-4s. (he was shot down a multitude of times as well)

Seriously, people, stop worshipping this statue. He may have been the top-scoring ace, but not the finest. The finest ace of the war was either Alexandr Poryshkin or Johnny Johnson, not this fake-ass nazi SOB.

[nzwilliam]

Although according to some of the posts here your skin may not be completely historically accurate, you did an excellent job replicating the paint scheme of the profiles that you had. I like it.

A couple of things you could try sometime would be to blur the mottling on the side slightly so the edge isn't quite so sharp, and apply a texture over top of solid markings rather than lowering opacity to give the impression of wear (I currently use a image of a scratched surface with the dark areas turned to alpha channel as a airbrush tool). Spray it on it's own layer so you can adjust the amount of weathering to your liking.

Different texture layers can dramatically reduce shine.

Oh please. What a piece of work and Nazi Propaganda. Good camo scheme, but I'm pretty sure the man only got around 110 kills, and the rest were credited to him by the freaking Nazis' propaganda bull-ogna. There is absolutely no way he came up with 352 victories, unless he got most of them butchering unescorted IL-4s. (he was shot down a multitude of times as well)

Seriously, people, stop worshipping this statue. He may have been the top-scoring ace, but not the finest. The finest ace of the war was either Alexandr Poryshkin or Johnny Johnson, not this fake-ass nazi SOB.

It is actually quite possible, if you consider:

1) Luftwaffe pilots stayed in action pretty much continuously unlike their allied counterparts.

2) Many of the German aces began fighting in WW2 in 1939 when it started and continued fighting until 1945 (if they survived) unlike many allied nations that were either over-run by the blitzkrieg in the beginning, or joined the war late. Therefore they were much more experienced than many of their advisories and had much more time to build up a high tally.

3) The really high scoring aces were also fighting against the Russians who began mass producing aircraft (something like 40,000 odd IL2 alone), therefore they also had allot more targets than the allies.

To say the tallies of any airforce, either side, during WW2 were 100% accurate would be naive, but what your proposing insults peoples intelligence.

[LuckyOne]

Oh please. What a piece of work and Nazi Propaganda. Good camo scheme, but I'm pretty sure the man only got around 110 kills, and the rest were credited to him by the freaking Nazis' propaganda bull-ogna. There is absolutely no way he came up with 352 victories, unless he got most of them butchering unescorted IL-4s. (he was shot down a multitude of times as well)

Seriously, people, stop worshipping this statue. He may have been the top-scoring ace, but not the finest. The finest ace of the war was either Alexandr Poryshkin or Johnny Johnson, not this fake-ass nazi SOB.

Inflated German kill ratio and "ACES" are a known fact....of course E.H. did not scored 350+ aircraft shot down..Russians or no Russians.

[Blasph-Mossquitty]

Indeed, the Luft did see continuous action, so 100+ victories was possible.

[nzwilliam]

Just for arguments sake, lets say he did shoot down 352 enemy aircraft during his recorded 1,404 combat missions, it would average out to coming in contact with one enemy aircraft once roughly every 4 sorties and shooting it down. Of these 1,404 combat missions he was engaged in with enemy aircraft 825 times which means he shot someone down in an engagement 42.6% of the time, the other 57.4% of the time I'm guessing they weren't in an advantageous position and chose to run or an opportunity didn't present itself to him.

I'm not saying 352 is accurate, I'm just putting forward the argument that it is not as far fetched as you may believe and it is plausible that it could very well be in the ball-park.

[Phas3e]

I think its been worked out that a number of Allied aces if they had flown the same number of missions as Hartmann and scored at the rate they did, they would have come out with the same score or better.

I dont see why people find it so hard to believe. Im sure every ace no matter what side they flew for could come under question about how accurate their score is, but after all does it really matter that much?