12.05.2010, 06:24
Is this possible to make a mod which allow us to create huge formation of aircrafts to max 24 or even 48 ?I know that there were some problems in UI mod, how about HSFX ? It could bo so great upgrade for all of us 
Formation mod in HSFX ?
12.05.2010, 08:28
There's no such mod. You can use some quick mission generator program for it.
12.05.2010, 10:13
No idea about this but is not posible to use a formaton like in the armor or vehicles?
12.05.2010, 13:01
-KG64_Cnopicilin- But we can't create huge formations in full mission builder.
12.05.2010, 13:03
DCG already spawns more planes then any computer (even the most extream gaming pc) can run. The IL-2 programming is not made for such large formations. If you can run a 150 to 200 plane mission then you have a $2000 pc, and it still wont run smoothly. Your just going to have to face it, this is the best this game is going to get. Thats why we are all waiting for SOW to get here. IL-2 has been pushed so far the it doesn't even resemble the original game. For massive bomber fights, load DCG set to Full on the # of flights and I bet you can't run the normandy campain. Is spawns in with like 30 bombers and 30 fighters just for the allied side. I have a quad core with SLI 260's and its hard for me to play. Unless you have a i7 extream w/ quad 480gtx's, dont even bother making missions with that many planes. Remember, it's not really the pc anymore, we have hit the limit of the IL-2 program.
12.05.2010, 13:05
whiskey111 Wrote:-KG64_Cnopicilin- But we can't create huge formations in full mission builder.I did not talk about FMB. Google for some quick mission generators. They are able to make huge formations AFAIK.
12.05.2010, 15:02
-KG64_Cnopicilin- I know that you dind't talk about FMB. I think we have misunderstand here
...once again:
We can't make a mission now im FMB where more than 4 aircraft fly together in formation. For example: large B-17 square formation etc... (max is 4 aircraft now)
I'm wondering if is possible to make a mod for FMB which could let us to create that formations ?
...once again:
We can't make a mission now im FMB where more than 4 aircraft fly together in formation. For example: large B-17 square formation etc... (max is 4 aircraft now)
I'm wondering if is possible to make a mod for FMB which could let us to create that formations ?
12.05.2010, 15:27
Yes mate, I know what you mean.. at the moment, if you want a large box formation of bombers, you have to make waypoints for each individual flight and it can be a pain.
It would be far easier to have say at least a squadron based formation, then you would have far less waypoints to input, plus it wouldn't 'clutter' the fmb map, which can be a nuisance too..
It would be far easier to have say at least a squadron based formation, then you would have far less waypoints to input, plus it wouldn't 'clutter' the fmb map, which can be a nuisance too..
12.05.2010, 15:53
Hi, Whiskey
I agree with Davis about the limits of the simulation, especially mods loaded features.
For a bomber lover who wants to add more of them at any reasonable cost, then there are options.
Possibilities:
1) Set some bombers to Empty ( no bombs or ammunition). Fewer gunners shooting increases performance, thus allowing more bombers.
2) Use a much higher altitude. The farther from the ground, generally the better the performance, which allows adding more bombers.
3) Temporary reduction of many graphics settings, such as 3D Gunners in the conf.ini file, will improve performance and result in more bombers allowed. Making two different Control Panel Program Profiles, one for bombers with reduced graphics settings, will make this transition quick.
4) Spread the flight of bombers farther from one another and at various altitudes. The closer they are, then the more hit against performance.
5) Increase the distance from the viewer to the bombers.
6) Increase the speed of all aircraft if you wish to record the battle. This makes for smoother recording track when played a bit slower while recording the track with Fraps or other recording device.
I have had about 30 bombers in a formation with no problem using the above techniques. For only screen captures, I once had 48 four engine bombers in a formation using the Full Mission Builder.
Have fun with it!
I agree with Davis about the limits of the simulation, especially mods loaded features.
For a bomber lover who wants to add more of them at any reasonable cost, then there are options.
Possibilities:
1) Set some bombers to Empty ( no bombs or ammunition). Fewer gunners shooting increases performance, thus allowing more bombers.
2) Use a much higher altitude. The farther from the ground, generally the better the performance, which allows adding more bombers.
3) Temporary reduction of many graphics settings, such as 3D Gunners in the conf.ini file, will improve performance and result in more bombers allowed. Making two different Control Panel Program Profiles, one for bombers with reduced graphics settings, will make this transition quick.
4) Spread the flight of bombers farther from one another and at various altitudes. The closer they are, then the more hit against performance.
5) Increase the distance from the viewer to the bombers.
6) Increase the speed of all aircraft if you wish to record the battle. This makes for smoother recording track when played a bit slower while recording the track with Fraps or other recording device.
I have had about 30 bombers in a formation with no problem using the above techniques. For only screen captures, I once had 48 four engine bombers in a formation using the Full Mission Builder.
Have fun with it!
12.05.2010, 16:39
Fireskull and Davis - I think we are talking about something different. Computer performance is not a main theme of this topic. Read carefully my words
Trooper117 - exactly. So what is a problem? Why modders haven't done it yet ?
Trooper117 - exactly. So what is a problem? Why modders haven't done it yet ?
12.05.2010, 17:05
whiskey111 Wrote:Fireskull and Davis - I think we are talking about something different. Computer performance is not a main theme of this topic. Read carefully my words
Trooper117 - exactly. So what is a problem? Why modders haven't done it yet ?
Whiskey, we read your words. We did so both intellectually and with the heart-every word. We gave you the reasons why there is no mod for bomber formations.
You read our words with your mind but did you get it with your heart?
Have a nice day.
13.05.2010, 07:40
Fireskull - I think there is no performance problem about running in formation at least 12 aircrafts (bombers or fighters). The problem is that you can set maximum 4 aircrafts in one flight. My idea is to beg one of the modders to make a mod for FMB which could add possibility to set flight contains more than 4 aircrafts (8, 12, 24 etc)
13.05.2010, 08:03
Whiskey,
What you want could only be this:
Or this:
The numbers are contradictory to your original statement.
Davis and I responded to your call for "24 or even 48" aircraft and gave you the appropriate response (Read above). If you are only going to use "8, 12, 24 etc", then you do not need a mod because setting flights of 4 only takes a few minutes to total 24 aircraft.
I doubt if any busy moddder is going to create this mod given all the performance demand of current mods which decrease IL-2 performance, but somehow that fact with all our supporting evidence was missed by you. This was our strategy for helping you, but perhaps now you understand.
It is my nature to bless people with more useful information and an approach that should be clear in one's mind.
Have a good day.
What you want could only be this:
whiskey111 Wrote:I think there is no performance problem about running in formation at least 12 aircrafts (bombers or fighters). The problem is that you can set maximum 4 aircrafts in one flight. My idea is to beg one of the modders to make a mod for FMB which could add possibility to set flight contains more than 4 aircrafts (8, 12, 24 etc)
Or this:
whiskey111 Wrote:Is this possible to make a mod which allow us to create huge formation of aircrafts to max 24 or even 48 ?I know that there were some problems in UI mod, how about HSFX ? It could bo so great upgrade for all of us
The numbers are contradictory to your original statement.
Davis and I responded to your call for "24 or even 48" aircraft and gave you the appropriate response (Read above). If you are only going to use "8, 12, 24 etc", then you do not need a mod because setting flights of 4 only takes a few minutes to total 24 aircraft.
I doubt if any busy moddder is going to create this mod given all the performance demand of current mods which decrease IL-2 performance, but somehow that fact with all our supporting evidence was missed by you. This was our strategy for helping you, but perhaps now you understand.
It is my nature to bless people with more useful information and an approach that should be clear in one's mind.
Have a good day.
13.05.2010, 10:04
Ok, so how you are making combat box formation for B-17 or other bombers and keep them together in turning waypoints ?
13.05.2010, 10:33
Basically, it's possible but incredibly tedious. I'm with Whiskey, if we want to improve our game historically then IMO this is a must 
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