[Matchstick]

well i have been dealing with it for some time and just wanted to know if its the game or are the aircraft like that in real life.
every time i fly a single engine plane like the 109 or P-51 the plane leans to one side making it hard to put up without starting a spin.

[Guest]

It never happens to me in a 109, only in Fw-190 and most allied planes, thats why I hate them.

[Matchstick]

well sorry about that. i just tested the 109 and it does not lean. so I'm thinking its more about the type of plane then?

[Guest]

All I know is that Messerschmitt knew what he was doing lol.

[Matchstick]

All I know is that Messerschmitt knew what he was doing lol.

I think any manufacturer in germany knew what there were doing lol

[skyomish]

I think it more about the lack of trim.
Try trimming your A\C . :mrgreen:

[Matchstick]

I think it more about the lack of trim.
Try trimming your A\C . :mrgreen:

thanks it works!

[bohr-r]

From the start, regardless of game version, all Yak-fighters lean to the left in my game. I have tried it with stock IL-2 1946 4.09 b1m, 4.09m, modded with UI 1.0 plus SAS mods, and finally with UP2.01 and SAS mods. Tried it with two different joysticks, too.
Perhaps, these planes were politically indoctrinated to lean that way? ;-)

S!

RB

[skyomish]

Torque. Some roll trim helps

[Hawker17]

Torque. Some roll trim helps

Please define "some trim" in IL2... :wink: No matter how much i trim the Spit Vb for example, during a loop i always have to give some left aileron. It's not very realistic i think, but i learnt to fly that way to counter the torque effect (pulling to the right).

[Fireskull]

Torque. Some roll trim helps

Skymomish is right on this.


All single engine aircraft have at least a little torgue effect. Some aircraft have anti-torgue features built right into the airframe, but usually one most make trim to compensate.

Whenever any single engine plane comes to a slow volocity, such as near stall, the torque will regain more control because trim and airframe influences are decreased at slow speeds, but torque remains about the same for a given engine RPM.

The best engineers and pilots have used torque to make a sharper turn with a fighter. Being aware of it could give one a slight advantage in a fight.

Interesting, in the war the Bf-109 would turn more sharply one direction than the other - much more sharp - because of the influence of torque and how the engineers placed inflow objects such as the oil cooling induct in locations to create even more of a force toward one direction. Knowing this could have saved a pilots life.



Fireskull

[Hawker17]

Thanks for the explanation Fireskull. So my left aileron technic isn't so bad after all... :wink: However, i heard of using rudder while doing a loop , but it didn't work out for me. What do you think about that?

[Fireskull]

Thanks for the explanation Fireskull. So my left aileron technic isn't so bad after all... :wink: However, i heard of using rudder while doing a loop , but it didn't work out for me. What do you think about that?

I only use rudder during a loop for two reasons. First, maybe I forgot to make trim. The most common reason for my using rudder in a loop is to make my movements unpredictable to the enemy. Enemy (especially online live) expects a nice symmetrical loop, but I almost always throw a monkey into their brain with heavy rudder to come out the loop in an unpredictable path.



Fireskull

[Fireskull]

I was talking about heavy rudder in the loop.





Fireskull

[Hawker17]

Will remember that trick, thanks! I used the rudder trick mostly when flying horizontally with somebody on my six...