Flight Simulations: You gotta love 'em
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I feel that sims are the lubrication which makes all aero-space endeavors possible at the high technology level that civilization enjoys today. ( philosophy hat: on temporarily Tongue )

...aaaahhhh.... ( Intellectual itch has been scratched ) Now I can get back to work! :lol:


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#2

Interesting feeling. Unfortunately I disagree completely, because he who plays computer games does nothing real, a bit of philosophy worthy of Harry Stottle.
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caldrail Wrote:Interesting feeling. Unfortunately I disagree completely, because he who plays computer games does nothing real, a bit of philosophy worthy of Harry Stottle.

But then good ol' Harry didn't have a computer, now did he?
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caldrail Wrote:Interesting feeling. Unfortunately I disagree completely, because he who plays computer games does nothing real, a bit of philosophy worthy of Harry Stottle.
No, I play many sims and I've flown a cessna 1'ce (I know not many times :\ ...) I also go to the Civil Air Patrol wich in WWII Sunk 2 Greman sub's of the coast of the U.S. And hit many more. So thats real.

[Edit] 1-10-12
just got promoted to airman :mrgreen:
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caldrail Wrote:Interesting feeling. Unfortunately I disagree completely, because he who plays computer games does nothing real, a bit of philosophy worthy of Harry Stottle.

Hi, Caldrail

I was pondering the question in general with all the various types of simulations out there. Actually, all aero-space organizations depend heavily on simulations and almost all the trainees got hooked on simulations or games in their youth. I feel that this makes sims very important.

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Well, yes, but specific simulation required by your employer is different to spending every waking hour pretending you'rean airline pilot (or a WWII ace, or an astronaut in some cases)

Virtuality is something that is going to be an increasing part of human society as long as civilisation can support a technological culture. In fact, we are experiencing virtual reality straight out of the biological box. Research into vision sugggests that colour is a fabrication of our brain. there is no intrinsic quality of light that actually colours anything. It's just that our brains interpret the various wavelengths of light into visual categories. That's something we learn to do as soon as we can see, and bizarrely our ability to interpret colour is linked to our ability to describe it - so language and colour recognition are linked, although biologically blue and yellow are hardwired in by evolution for some reason.
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caldrail Wrote:Well, yes, but specific simulation required by your employer is different to spending every waking hour pretending you'rean airline pilot (or a WWII ace, or an astronaut in some cases)

Virtuality is something that is going to be an increasing part of human society as long as civilisation can support a technological culture. In fact, we are experiencing virtual reality straight out of the biological box. Research into vision sugggests that colour is a fabrication of our brain. there is no intrinsic quality of light that actually colours anything. It's just that our brains interpret the various wavelengths of light into visual categories. That's something we learn to do as soon as we can see, and bizarrely our ability to interpret colour is linked to our ability to describe it - so language and colour recognition are linked, although biologically blue and yellow are hardwired in by evolution for some reason.
That's so true. Actually, the difference between "reality" and "perception" is matter of discussion since centuries, both for philosophes and scientists. From the so-called "mith of the cave", to Heisenberg's indetermination principle, men of knowledge are well aware that nothing grants that what we "see" is actually what there "is" and, furthemore, the way we observe reality affects not only our perception, but even reality itself, thus making a pure, neutral, absolute concept of reality a chimera.

Such topics risk to open an abyss of philosophy! ;dd :mrgreen:
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Serpiko Wrote:
caldrail Wrote:Well, yes, but specific simulation required by your employer is different to spending every waking hour pretending you'rean airline pilot (or a WWII ace, or an astronaut in some cases)

Virtuality is something that is going to be an increasing part of human society as long as civilisation can support a technological culture. In fact, we are experiencing virtual reality straight out of the biological box. Research into vision sugggests that colour is a fabrication of our brain. there is no intrinsic quality of light that actually colours anything. It's just that our brains interpret the various wavelengths of light into visual categories. That's something we learn to do as soon as we can see, and bizarrely our ability to interpret colour is linked to our ability to describe it - so language and colour recognition are linked, although biologically blue and yellow are hardwired in by evolution for some reason.
That's so true. Actually, the difference between "reality" and "perception" is matter of discussion since centuries, both for philosophes and scientists. From the so-called "mith of the cave", to Heisenberg's indetermination principle, men of knowledge are well aware that nothing grants that what we "see" is actually what there "is" and, furthemore, the way we observe reality affects not only our perception, but even reality itself, thus making a pure, neutral, absolute concept of reality a chimera.

Such topics risk to open an abyss of philosophy! ;dd :mrgreen:

Yup.

Amazing the talents that we share, yet some traits unique to the individual thrown in there, too. 8)

Fanscinating, too, the interaction of human with simulation to make a better skilled person.


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Back to topic beginning, I think it's indeed true that, in every field of human activities, the use of "simulations" is a powerful tool in the evolution of progress, compared to the older (and much less efficient, in terms of costs/risks/benefits ratio) "trial and error". In this sense, it is comparable to the invention of writing.
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Serpiko Wrote:Back to topic beginning, I think it's indeed true that, in every field of human activities, the use of "simulations" is a powerful tool in the evolution of progress, compared to the older (and much less efficient, in terms of costs/risks/benefits ratio) "trial and error". In this sense, it is comparable to the invention of writing.


I agree totally. Simulations in general ( including those not related to flight ) are revolutionizing many aspects of life, such as education, training, and rehabilitation.


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Fireskull Wrote:Fanscinating, too, the interaction of human with simulation to make a better skilled person. Fireskull

That's exactly what I mean. "Training" is a way to improve skills in a controlled environement, in order to achieve the best results when going for the real deal.

In the same way, "Simulation" is nothing but a "better" trial and error process, since it is safer, it allows to experiment several solutions and, usually, it's more cost effective.
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We could go on all day stating how much we agree on this! :mrgreen:
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Serpiko Wrote:We could go on all day stating how much we agree on this! :mrgreen:


Agreed! :mrgreen:


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caldrail Wrote:Well, yes, but specific simulation required by your employer is different to spending every waking hour pretending you'rean airline pilot (or a WWII ace, or an astronaut in some cases)

Virtuality is something that is going to be an increasing part of human society as long as civilisation can support a technological culture. In fact, we are experiencing virtual reality straight out of the biological box. Research into vision sugggests that colour is a fabrication of our brain. there is no intrinsic quality of light that actually colours anything. It's just that our brains interpret the various wavelengths of light into visual categories. That's something we learn to do as soon as we can see, and bizarrely our ability to interpret colour is linked to our ability to describe it - so language and colour recognition are linked, although biologically blue and yellow are hardwired in by evolution for some reason.


I also find this aspect of visual interpretation and genuine perception quite interisting. I often asked myself if there is such a thing as pure red, pure blue-not as physical wavelength but as holistic human resource (hard to hit the right word here). If pereception of colours is biologically determined, could it still be that e.g. what I call red is indeed what the rest of the world calls blue? And what I call a warm colour is in fact the opposite..lol, call me sick, that is the weird sort of mindset I am going through when killing my sleep knowing I actually have to get up in a couple. :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:

My theory on this specific matter is that we all have the same perception of colours yet that there may be nuances in visual interpretation that theoretically make each human biological sensor-set unique. Yet the level of potential generelization must be high enough to ensure optical steering methods to name one example apply for all potential pilots..eg. HUD colours and saturations have the same effect on all qualified F-16 pilots....God, how did I get here... Big Grin
No I am not drugged...carry on and ignore my pathetic attempt to write what I really meant..

Tom


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#15

What one person sees as one colour is in some ways the same as anyone else apart from any physical inhibition such as disability or perception. However, since the 'colour' you see is virtual, it must by definition be your own perception of it. There is no functional difference between the colours we see because we recognise our own interpretation at an early age, thus blue is blue regardless of how our internal image is rendered.

I have noticed that my own colour vision is superior to my admittedly cheap handheld camera. Those fantastic sunsets are just dazzling to me, but look colourless and dull in jpeg form.
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