[Ice_Eagle]

Big Words from a little man...



Why lock the thread? LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE if I'm bad or good. YOU WON"T because we all know what will happen,
you'd have to ban more people cause they would agree with me! LOL.

Nice retort on the reason why I was banned, well, pathetic actually. BUT its the truth. YOU SENT ME A PM at SAS, I POST
A SCREENIE, BOOM, BANNED. YOU know it, I know it. BUT your digging through your pee-brain right now coming up with
another excuse.. I'll save you the trouble.. THE SHOOTING PILOTS UNDER THEIR CHUTES THREAD. Hogwash, keep on digging
buddy.. its just your hole your digging anyways.

FX mods, FM mods, aircraft skins, ordinance skins, WWII aircraft information THATS what I'm known for. BUT congrats on making
yourself look like more of a jackass.. so keep up the posts/lies LMAO.

"Although we normally don't discuss blah blah blah" : translation; 'Holy f*ck! people are realizing I f*cked up here.. DAMAGE CONTROL!"

Thought mods didn't have to explain themselves.. yet you felt the need to. I'm FLATTERED you feel that THREATENED by lil' old me.

FOWARD TO WHO? ME? THOUGHT MY EMAIL ADDY JUST 'BOUNCES BACK. LMFAO!

*EDIT

This is the last PM I got from you:

Least you were smart enough NOT to use your name LOL. What proof of childish, offensive manner? The people who KNOW me, also know that's a LIE. Play nice with others how? Becouse I disagree with somebody about the BF 109? Wait.. You don't have answers. IF YOU DO, POST EM UP. I posted a 109 in the screenshot thread, read that PM. POOF, banned. See that's on page 2 of my PM's. Most of those PM are from me helping people. Including one from SAS~Storebror saying 'He owes me (ice eagle) one'. Guess that's childish and offensive in your book eh?


ICE EAGLE gift:

[Deutschmark]

Well Ice with out any proof it will always be your word against theirs not to say am not believing you knowing their track record, this is why I am a firm believer in keeping every thing as you never know when it might be needed, I can say from my own experience with SAS ( look here; viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34006 ) that I do believe in what you are saying to be true knowing how I and others have been handle over at SAS.


Deutschmark

[Ice_Eagle]

[quote from anto or at least from somebody at joe_kwel ( at ) Hotmail ( Dot ) com]

Dear Ice-Eagle,

I see you have checked the MiG-21 thread at SAS and received my message. I would have PMed you myself at AAS but my account was deleted 'in revenge' after Beo's last explosive outpooring and hence I was unable to contact you. I'm trying your old registered email at SAS but I've also asked LeOne to deliver this message to you on my behalf.

I have no problem with people sharing links pending they have the courtesy of asking first and they don't hotlink. It make life hell for users with technical issues and clogs up the foreign forum with posts about mods they don't necessarily support. I was willing to forgive it but we have two problems here: a) AAS and [name banned] have made it their policy to prevent links to our site, meaning you can't post links to here. b) In response to my reasonable request, you have decided to post a public political statement which had nothing to do with the matter. This has nothing to do with SAS~GJE52 and I will not hear a word of it. This is now purely between yourself and the MIG-21 team (whom I am representing here), and why you have copied our release thread with links without the courtesy of asking us first. If you had asked, I would have most likely said yes.

As mentioned I was willing to forgive the copying of the thread and indeed, some of us at SAS were willing to lift you ban at some point in time. As far as I am concerned, you have chosen to respond in an immature fashion to this matter and ignore a reasonable request. Having review the moderation log here (and if I remember correctly, an incident over at M4T), this is not the first time you have chosen to respond in such a way. I hope you decide to make an honorable decision and respect our request to remove the post and links. Otherwise you can consider any amnesty that myself or the other admins were considering at SAS gone and your account permanently deleted.

It would be a pity if it came to that, as I and many enjoyed your enthusiasm for the Bf-109 and the Albatros. But frankly if you do not wish to act in a mature fashion expect of an adult and be respectful to others, then you are not welcome at SAS nor are you welcome to share our mods.

Regards,

Anto

[unquote from anto or at least from somebody at joe_kwel ( at ) hotmail ( Dot ) com]

[Deutschmark]

I just put the ( at ) and ( Dot ) in the e-mail so no one's e-mail box would be full of spam, its not good to put a live e-mail addy on a forum.

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[Beowolff]

ha. in all actuality, ice, you were doomed at the SAS from the moment you called Max out on the ripped off textures over at M4T. they never forget a slight over there, real or otherwise, and no doubt some of the tree house bunch had long been watching you like a hawk to trump up a ban charge on you as soon as possible ever since that incident happened.

it's another one of their old time standard operating procedures that dictates dishing out punishment for real or imagined insult/damage and never forgetting about it till Hell freezes over. yet another CirX maxim taken to the Nth Degree by the current administration there.

you'll note it was 'remembered' and even brought up in that last missive there to you, where no doubt it had long been brewing and percolating about in the tree house confines. oh if only people had a clue as to what goes on in that unholy place. :lol:

:wink:

[bomberkiller]

Hello Beowolff,

very interesting, I've never considered the subject!

Thank you for pointing this out ...

Gerhard

[Ice_Eagle]

max_thehitman PM to me:



Battln_Bastards aka Ice Eagle reply to max



Seems I responded in a civil manner. All I asked was that HE gives credit where credit is due. Matter was resolved at M4T, then MAX DECIDED TO CARRY
it over to SAS. For those who seen it at SAS, I never appologised to MAX, I appologised for making it known in public at M4T. He READ IT, and accepted
it. Again, I did nothing wrong.

As far as me having an guy on the 'inside'.. yup, cause:



This is all I see. Since I got banned.

[asheshouse]

Ice Eagle - I'm curious. A few posts back you say you have an "inside" guy over there.

Bullshite!

you seem to forget I got an 'inside' guy over there.

Now you say you don't have one.

As far as me having an guy on the 'inside'.. yup, cause:



This is all I see. Since I got banned.

-- and yet you consistently post copies of stuff from the SAS site within a short time of it first appearing.

I like to keep an open mind on matters but what you are saying seems to be inconsistent.
Maybe I have misunderstood?


Ashe

[Ice_Eagle]

Believe what you want, I not here to convience anybody. But I never said I didn't have an inside guy. Cause I do.
Theres a couple mods there who think its bullshite on what happen to myself, Deutch, Beo, and others.

Have a nice day Ashe

[HotelAlpha200]

Deutch

Well you have to spell his name better than that to be a Germanic person. :roll:

Anyways I have had it with this.

Ice Eagle, Beowolff, this is my honest opinion over this.

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All you guys want is to be seen as the "Truthful Elders" who speak of the real world and not of what it is made to look like.


Beo and Ice's Signature style is to make some mod (which are not degraded in any way in this message) and in the meantime for the next one make an over exaggerated, bloated, and propaganda-ized story about someone at SAS or the "Dark Side" of the Mod community.

They want attention and are desperate enough to make posts all the time on their sites about how someone at the SAS had done something so horrible and degrading to FM or that someone stole someone else's work and claimed it as their own.

Then they wonder why the SAS makes those "Degrading" posts about them.... Their lack of respect and/or the will power to just walk away from what they call "troublemakers" guarantees them to encounter those posts that they talk in their rants on their posts.

Their crusade is to "reveal" the "truth" about the SAS and how they are "fighting the system" like in some cheesy 80's movie.

Never have I seen a smear campaign against people who put their hard work and dedication to something and then have it all critisized, accused, framed, whatever to make it look bad or fraudulent.

Ice Eagle and Beo,

End of story is that you make it harder on yourselves by making those posts. Just leave the SAS alone, leave your opinions on those at SAS in your mind and not show it off.

We come to these places to make mods and stuff for Il-2 and nothing more. Some think different but that is the end truth.

Ice Eagle, do what you want with your thread. It is yours. I give my opinion and my true encouragements.

I was banned straight out of Free Il-2 Modding because I sent a message similar to the one above to Beowolff and he thought I was "Untrustworthy and Slanderous" but I don't care of the ban. I miss the others at FM and their mods.

At FM I liked everybody else and they were my friends until Beo went on to me. Then I made another account at FM to try to reestablish myself as a member but Beo found the end to that and banned me anyways. He thinks that I "threaten" the FM site... But I have never done anything like that anywhere. Many say I am a kind person and agree with others.


I do not intend to offend anyone at Free Il-2 Modding or anywhere else. Their work, mods, products, are not affected in this. It is about the issue that is happening in this thread and Free Modding. Just that is focused on. Otherwise the forums will be fire stormed by such arguments.

[Ice_Eagle]

Deutch

Well you have to spell his name better than that to be a Germanic person. :roll:

This is the best advice in your whole rant

Anyways I have had it with this.

And yet you go on with your rant

Ice Eagle, Beowolff, this is my honest opinion over this.

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All you guys want is to be seen as the "Truthful Elders" who speak of the real world and not of what it is made to look like.


Beo and Ice's Signature style is to make some mod (which are not degraded in any way in this message) and in the meantime for the next one make an over exaggerated, bloated, and propaganda-ized story about someone at SAS or the "Dark Side" of the Mod community.

No see, that's where your sadly mistaken, and SAS delete all threads, and either threaten or ban people for posting the truth.

They want attention and are desperate enough to make posts all the time on their sites about how someone at the SAS had done something so horrible and degrading to FM or that someone stole someone else's work and claimed it as their own.

Yeah we work hard on our mods. Pardon us if somebody steals them, and we get a little pissy. Se-La-Vie. What have you've done lately squirt?

Then they wonder why the SAS makes those "Degrading" posts about them.... Their lack of respect and/or the will power to just walk away from what they call "troublemakers" guarantees them to encounter those posts that they talk in their rants on their posts.

To make themselves look good.. wtf do you think its about :roll: Respect is earned buddy.. not STOLEN.. or banning people willy nilly.

Their crusade is to "reveal" the "truth" about the SAS and how they are "fighting the system" like in some cheesy 80's movie.

LOL. Party on Garth!

Never have I seen a smear campaign against people who put their hard work and dedication to something and then have it all critisized, accused, framed, whatever to make it look bad or fraudulent.

Sure, SAS does some great things, nobody is arguing that. Some of there management is going to be the death of them, mark my words.

Ice Eagle and Beo,

End of story is that you make it harder on yourselves by making those posts. Just leave the SAS alone, leave your opinions on those at SAS in your mind and not show it off.

We come to these places to make mods and stuff for Il-2 and nothing more. Some think different but that is the end truth.

Ice Eagle, do what you want with your thread. It is yours. I give my opinion and my true encouragements.

I don't give a f*ck if SAS thinks I'm making it hard on myself, I've said from the beginning, even if they lift my ban, I'm not going back. Period.

I was banned straight out of Free Il-2 Modding because I sent a message similar to the one above to Beowolff and he thought I was "Untrustworthy and Slanderous" but I don't care of the ban. I miss the others at FM and their mods.

At FM I liked everybody else and they were my friends until Beo went on to me. Then I made another account at FM to try to reestablish myself as a member but Beo found the end to that and banned me anyways. He thinks that I "threaten" the FM site... But I have never done anything like that anywhere. Many say I am a kind person and agree with others.


I do not intend to offend anyone at Free Il-2 Modding or anywhere else. Their work, mods, products, are not affected in this. It is about the issue that is happening in this thread and Free Modding. Just that is focused on.

Hey you f*cked up. Multiple accounts not allowed, you could have explained your situation to Beo without being an ass, he's an understanding type of motherf*cker lol.
I'm sure he would of let bygones be bygones.. but nooooo you thought your all clever. Run back to SAS, to your best bud BRAVO. While your there, tell BRAVO its been
a slice, but I don't need him anymore, no matter how much he enjoys watching Anto squirm. Whoops.

[HotelAlpha200]

OK, I will let Bravo know! :roll:


I have work, Ice... 3D work.... squirt





You may make your 109 skins and effects and I can make my jets.

[Beowolff]

and your jet is going NO WHERE. for one thing that's not your 3D model...you didn't make it. you are not a 3D artist. for another the program you're showing it in is NOT one that will work on fixing the 3D model and getting it ready for importation into the game of IL2. for another, you don't know 'how' to import, cause you haven't done the time, nor the sweat, nor put out the energy to actually LEARN how to import... ---and you never will. neither do you have a clue on the damage models, the LODs, the collision boxes, the java directors, the clips, the skinning, nor any other needful thing while importing into the game. neither do you know anything about the flight model coding, nor especially the java class work necessary to make the plane work in the game even if you did 'somehow' manage to import it or begged someone that 'did' know of importing it into the game for you.

importation into Il2 is a weighty task that takes damned hard work to learn and master...and takes a hell of a LONG time to learn. you have neither the patience nor the 'want to' to actually learn such a skill and that is obvious to everyone that has had anything to do with you.

you, like every other 'wanna be' modder think you can just JUMP INTO it all and instantly produce work (or beg somebody to do it for you) without going through the trial and trouble of actually learning it from the ground up...and THAT is why your jet is going no where for that is NOT how it works in this game.

actually, I wish I was wrong about this... but i'm not. ---and we ALL know it. and you know it most of all.

to be honest I don't know what the hell is wrong with you. you came into our home there at FM more or less begging to be accepted by us and that right there made me damned leery of you for all too many times the guys that come in like that have some sort of problem 'somewhere'...and obviously I was right to be leery of you as you've more than proven that, yes...there most definitely WAS a problem there.

then as time goes along you're constantly over at the FM site making posts about this or that and sending me pm's telling me how bad the SAS is treating you but at the SAME TIME you're over at the SAS making posts about this or that and telling THEM how bad 'I am' treating you. d'oh! hock: get a grip, guy! hell, you're sending me pm's asking me what to do about how bad you're being treated and how bad you hate them but evidently from what I have found out you're OVER THERE saying the SAME EXACT THING ABOUT ME TO THEM!

g'ah! what the hell, dude! seems EVERYBODY is out to get you and out to do you wrong, eh? :-?

you even sent me this big long pm about how GJE52 attacked you in a pm and FORCED you to apologize to them saying that if you didn't, he'd post 'in the clear' a bunch of nasty stuff that you had said about me and the FM site (which you then claimed you didn't say but now i'm thinking that you DID say it) and in that same pm you told me how much you 'hated' GJE for that. and you went on to further slur Bombsaway, Anto, Bravo and others over there. hell, and then the 'next' day or two I was told about how you were over there KISSING THEIR ASSES and telling those SAME guys how GREAT and WONDERFUL they were.

wow! what the hell?

man, you were 'back' and 'forth' like a god damned Ping-Pong ball.... their best buddies one day. mine the next. back and forth, back and forth...Christ I got dizzy trying to keep up with it all. ---and finally I had enough of the silly bullshite and called you down on it, and asked you to 'cut out the brown-nosing' shite.

next thing I know you've signed up under a 'new' FAKE account over at the FM site...which is clearly 'not' allowed in our rules yet I wouldn't have said anything about it until you figured we were too stupid to know what was what and started POSTING fake-ass messages under that fake alias pretending to be some 'new' guy out to learn modding. once you started in with the fake conversations I knew it was you and called you down on that. that is DEFINITELY not going to be permitted as it shouldn't be. but hell, instead of taking the call down LIKE A MAN, hell you go and send me that shitty PM telling me what a good buddy the SAS are to you and how i'm treating you so wrong and getting mixed up in the SAS/FM problem as IF IT WAS ANY OF YOUR DAMNED BUSINESS...which it sure the hell isn't. (mainly cause you don't know shite about it, see.)

ha! don't blame me for banning your lying, unpredictable arse. after all YOU'VE only yourself to blame for that. hell, you deserved it. and what's more, after all this crap, if you EVER come back over there and I find out, hell i'll gladly ban you again. I don't put up with stupid shites...plain and simple. and I don't put up with lying nor fakeness either. and guy you are FULL of it.

all I and the FM site ever asks from 'any' of our members is to come over there and act right. that's it, that's all. and by god if you didn't BLOW THAT simple task to hell and back with your trickery, your brown-nosing, you're deception and your blarney lies. so yeah, you exactly deserved what you got and really 'should' have gotten it sooner than you did.

man I am glad you have run back to the SAS...lol...that's a damned good place for the likes of you. you'll fit RIGHT IN with that bunch. but hey, sooner or later they'll get their fill of your bullshite too cause after all it's a given that pretty soon you'll get on their nerves so bad they'll likely ban your ass too...for I truly believe you are incapable of acting right and staying out of trouble.

bottom line is you need to just cut out the lying and the bull baloney crap... okay? the people that really know me, including many still at the SAS, know that I don't mistreat people, and that if I banned you (or anyone) then I had a good reason for it. so you can spew all you want to, you can yell, throw a tantrum like a spoiled seven year old, act up, lie and accuse...but buddy... too many people KNOW the damned truth about it. and all you're really doing is making a laughing stock out of yourself.

best thing you can do is take your medicine, cut out the bullshite, stop trying to act like a jerk-wad... and keep a REAL LOW profile for a REAL LONG TIME and 'hope' that eventually the other members of this community sort of 'forget' that you were ever here in the first place.

maybe (and that's a big maybe) then you can someday rejoin the community and by acting correctly, earnestly and honestly...you'll perhaps be accepted back into it and hopefully somewhere along the line learn to actually contribute to it.

but if you continue on as you've been doing... you're going to ruin yourself here completely (if you haven't already, which to me you have.)

your choice. do the right thing, or the wrong thing. (hell, knowing you like I do, i'd bet money on which you'll actually do. d'oh!) :wink:

[asheshouse]

you were doomed at the SAS from the moment you called Max out on the ripped off textures over at M4T.

You got any proof that the textures were,as you say, "ripped off"?
No proof was ever posted at M4T.
Ice posted an apology at SAS which was accepted by Max.
End of story I guess.

I am not here to convince anybody.

Congratulations. You have succeeded in not convincing me.

Ashe

[Deutschmark]

Well let me ask you this HotelAlpha200,
You see this here; viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34006
Tell me if what you think what was done there with my HUEY and I was right.
I never once in all the time SAS has been around gone there and started any trouble
NOT ONCE!
I have gone there and have been taken for the classic SAS ride two times, once when CirX put out a few of my planes and did so under a fake name and LOL wile it all went on and the other was my HUEY where they put in direct download links in a locked thread and toyed with me and got belittling then banned me and called me the trouble maker, and you say they the ones that run SAS are great people.

Deutschmark

PS; and then there is this right from the top man at SAS = Anto


I like the line
( As GJE52 said, we only opt for such measures once all other avenues are exhausted. )

That's bullshit and I am a prime example of it being bullshit! look above...