[RAF_Magpie]

Its not MY policy, its AAA's policy - and if you don't abide by it you (anyone) will be removed.

[Carnagexxx]

Ok, but please give me one answer

why was the "3d Cockpits for new planes" thread removed ??
Their was now DM/FM/WM discuss in it, and it was delete ?

[I/JG27_Waggel]

First of all I want to say, that there is no intention to create a monster plane. We want to create a FW-190, that has a historical peformance. I want to fly a simulation and not an arcarde game.

HISTORICAL PERFORMANCE IN RELATION TO OLEGS SPEED PERFORMANCE FW-190A-3 and FW-190A-4 with BMW 801 D double radial engine.

Yesterday Strafe showed us a link with historical performance data. There are test flights with captured FW-190 and german tests. You also can find german guids with operatingworth and engine basic data.

I have found a picture where all confirmed level speed performances are included. I have checked them with the original documents and they are right. I printed them out and I also printed out the Oleg level speed performance for the A-4.

Now I drew the performance curves of Oleg into the document.

The speed of the oleg-190 at see level is 100% ok.
kampfleistung (24oo rpm) 520 km/h at 0m
Notleistung (27oo rpm) 540km/h at 0m

But the rest of the pervormance is not to understand.

The whole oleg a4 kampfleistung (24oo rpm) is to be regained in a range where you also can find the flight test with a captured and overcamouflaged 190 that could not show its full performance. But the performance of this captured plane is faster in regions over 13ooo feet (ca 4km).

The oleg a4 notleistung (27oo rpm) is a little bit faster than the kampfleistung of the historical Focke Wulf in a region below 9.ooo feet (ca. 27oo m). Over 9ooo feet the oleg a4 notleistung has the same speed performance of the historical kampfleistung.

The historical kampfleistung has a little bit more speed below 9ooo feet. Over 9ooo feet you are ca 10 m.p.h. faster than olegs notleistung. BUT!

With historical notleistung you will reach 410 m.p.h. in 21ooo feet! 660 km/h in 6400 m.

When I am at home i will start to create a Level Speed performance curve in a highly solubly graph. Whn this graph is ready, i will post it here.

[Carnagexxx]

The only thing I hate on Olegs FW 190s is that their are not so manuverable like historics say. If you do a fast turn, you get in a spin

All reports over the 190 I read in books said that it was a good turn fighter, maybe not the later heavier modells

[I/JG27_Waggel]

The problem is, you do not have any historical data for maneuver performance. If we have some, we can work with it.

[RAF_Magpie]

Ok, but please give me one answer

why was the "3d Cockpits for new planes" thread removed ??
Their was now DM/FM/WM discuss in it, and it was delete ?

Respecting the site policy is non-negotiable, and there will be no conditions that one would be expected to respect it either.

Re; cockpit thread:
I don't know - perhaps it had something to do with the non-allowed contents... And its not your place to question whoever the admin/moderator was that removed it.

Re; this thread:
There will not be an FM edit of the current the FW's (or any aircraft). That is quite simply that, the only way is if they were cloned. New slot aircraft are fine, but will only be allowed here (ie AAA Sanctioned) if they don't contain files which conflict with the site policy, and are accurately done.

[Carnagexxx]

As I said, I hope for a AAA Version of the early Fw190 in the future.

[I/JG27_Waggel]

Re; this thread:
There will not be an FM edit of the current the FW's (or any aircraft). That is quite simply that, the only way is if they were cloned. New slot aircraft are fine, but will only be allowed here (ie AAA Sanctioned) if they don't contain files which conflict with the site policy, and are accurately done.

First of all I want to say, that there is no intention to create a monster plane. We want to create a FW-190, that has a historical peformance. I want to fly a simulation and not an arcarde game.

..... And the A4 is Olegs plane. It is like touching a diva or breaking with gods laws :wink:

And the A3 will be Kurt Tanks plane :wink:

[I/JG27_Waggel]

First result of caluculations.

I will make the notleistung lines this weekend.


Kurts FW-190A-3 Notleistung: 2.7oo r.p.m. and 1.42 ata

Kurts FW-190A-3 Kampfleistung: 2.4oo r.p.m. and 1.35 ata

Olegs FW-190A-4 Notleistung and Kampfleistung: They are variable but the at never goes over 1.4 ata. I will make some testflights today to check the r.p.m. I took the performance date from IL2 compare.

[Strafe]

GREAT !

[Guest]

O boy...What a downgraded Butcherbird we have in IL-2... :evil:

[zulu64]

What is the source data for "Kurts A3" in the diagram above ?
At what ATAs are the respective lines for ?

How did you derive Olegs A4 performance ? .... IL2 Compare or Flight test throughout the envelope ?

[I/JG27_Waggel]

The Level Speed performance data of Kurts FW-190A-3 is a result of speed tests made by the Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GMBH in :

XX.06.1942 (I could not read the first numbers)
26.11.1942
07.10.1943

If you put all the lines together into 1 Performance graphic you will see that there are only minimal differences between the performance lines.

[Carnagexxx]

I also prefer better turning for higher speed
I also would say that 20 miles more would save my virtual live in a FW190

[zulu64]

Waggel do you have a link to these tests ?

and how did you determine "Olegs A4" performance ? Flight test or Il2 Compare ?