[shooterking]

Hello together, here are 2 Pics of the HA-1112:

[nzwilliam]

Nice effort, looks quite similar.

Just one thought though, didn't the Hispano HA-1112 have pretty much all Bf109G6 parts except for the engine?

[Guest]

[quote="nzwilliam"]Nice effort, looks quite similar.

Just one thought though, didn't the Hispano HA-1112 have pretty much all Bf109G6 parts except for the engine?

It is just a License built version but because Germany could not provide engines and weapons due to the war effort Spain had to use their own.



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HA-1112-K1L
Wing span: 9,92 m (32 ft, 6 inches)
Length: 8.49 m (26 ft, 3 inches)
Height: 2.60 m (8 ft, 6 inches)
Wing surface: 16 m² (172 square ft)
Wing load: 200 kg/m2 (41 lb/square ft)
Empty weight: 2,475 kg (5456 lb)
Maximum weight: 3,200 kg (7054 lb)
Engine: 1,300 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Z-17 V12; three-bladed Hamilton propeller
Maximum speed: 600 km/h (324 knots)
Cruise speed: 400 km/h (216 knots)
Service ceiling: 9800 m (32,150 ft)
Range: 690 km (373 NM) without external fuel containers
Crew: 1 person
Armament: two 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404/408 cannons; and two 80 mm, eight rocket Oerlikon devices

HA-1112-M1L
Hispano Aviación HA-1112-M1L Buchon with the original paint of Spanish Air Force, preserved in the Museo del Aire, located near Cuatro Vientos Airport, MadridWing span: 9.92 m (32 ft, 6 inches)
Length: 9.13 m (30 ft)
Height: 2.60 m (8 ft, 6 inches)
Wing surface: 16 m² (172 square ft)
Wing load: 206 kg/m² (42.2 lb/square ft)
Empty weight: 2,666 kg (5877 lb)
Maximum weight: 3,330 kg (7341 lb)
Engine: 1,600 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 500/45 V12, a four-bladed Rotol propeller
Maximum speed: 665 km/h (360 knots)
Initial climb rate: 1.700 m/min (5,580 ft/min)[4]
Service ceiling: 10,200 m (33,500 ft)
Range: 765 km (415 NM) without external fuel containers
Crew: 1 man
Armament: two 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404/408 cannons; and two 80 mm, eight rocket Oerlikon devices

[KG64_Cnopicilin]

Nice effort, looks quite similar.

Just one thought though, didn't the Hispano HA-1112 have pretty much all Bf109G6 parts except for the engine?

It is just a License built version but because Germany could not provide engines and weapons due to the war effort Spain had to use their own.



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HA-1112-K1L
Wing span: 9,92 m (32 ft, 6 inches)
Length: 8.49 m (26 ft, 3 inches)
Height: 2.60 m (8 ft, 6 inches)
Wing surface: 16 m² (172 square ft)
Wing load: 200 kg/m2 (41 lb/square ft)
Empty weight: 2,475 kg (5456 lb)
Maximum weight: 3,200 kg (7054 lb)
Engine: 1,300 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Z-17 V12; three-bladed Hamilton propeller
Maximum speed: 600 km/h (324 knots)
Cruise speed: 400 km/h (216 knots)
Service ceiling: 9800 m (32,150 ft)
Range: 690 km (373 NM) without external fuel containers
Crew: 1 person
Armament: two 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404/408 cannons; and two 80 mm, eight rocket Oerlikon devices

HA-1112-M1L
Hispano Aviación HA-1112-M1L Buchon with the original paint of Spanish Air Force, preserved in the Museo del Aire, located near Cuatro Vientos Airport, MadridWing span: 9.92 m (32 ft, 6 inches)
Length: 9.13 m (30 ft)
Height: 2.60 m (8 ft, 6 inches)
Wing surface: 16 m² (172 square ft)
Wing load: 206 kg/m² (42.2 lb/square ft)
Empty weight: 2,666 kg (5877 lb)
Maximum weight: 3,330 kg (7341 lb)
Engine: 1,600 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 500/45 V12, a four-bladed Rotol propeller
Maximum speed: 665 km/h (360 knots)
Initial climb rate: 1.700 m/min (5,580 ft/min)[4]
Service ceiling: 10,200 m (33,500 ft)
Range: 765 km (415 NM) without external fuel containers
Crew: 1 man
Armament: two 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404/408 cannons; and two 80 mm, eight rocket Oerlikon devices

Wow, that does aswer the question :roll:

[Guest]

Well it was licence built so I do not see why they would there would be any difference, if the plane works perfectly for Germany, why would they change it, I'm sure Willy knows what he is doing and besides he is probably smarter than anyone Spain has.

BTW I forgot to mention it is the Bf-109 G2 not G6.

[nzwilliam]

Ah, G2, bloody difficult to see any difference without bulges on the hood due to completely different engine and armament. Cheers for that.

[Guest]

Ah, G2, bloody difficult to see any difference without bulges on the hood due to completely different engine and armament. Cheers for that.

Sais on the all mighty wikipedia lol.

[nzwilliam]

LOL, yeah, wikipedia is really only as reliable as the self appointed experts that submit their "knowledge" to it aye, but often it's better than nothing :wink:

[colocam]

Word on the street is that is shares a level of accuracy with Enclyclopedia Brittanica.

[Storebror]

Basically what I see on the pics is a Bf-109B or C Frankenplane grafted with a 4-blade prop.
Not that much in common with the HA-1112, as there are pretty obvious differences, like

• The engine cowling's shape is the one of the Jumo 210, it has nothing in common with the Merlin cowling of the HA.
  
• The exhausts' position (low) reflects to the Jumo 210 inverted V design, whereas the Merlin's exhausts are located considerably higher since the Merlin isn't inverted.
  
• No rounded wingtips.
  
• Wing cannons missing, instead there are MG-17s visible which aren't part of the HA.

etc. pp., it's nothing more and nothing less than an early 109 with a 4-blade prop on it.

Best regards - Mike

[Guest]

Basically what I see on the pics is a Bf-109B or C Frankenplane grafted with a 4-blade prop.
Not that much in common with the HA-1112, as there are pretty obvious differences, like

• The engine cowling's shape is the one of the Jumo 210, it has nothing in common with the Merlin cowling of the HA.
  
• The exhausts' position (low) reflects to the Jumo 210 inverted V design, whereas the Merlin's exhausts are located considerably higher since the Merlin isn't inverted.
  
• No rounded wingtips.
  
• Wing cannons missing, instead there are MG-17s visible which aren't part of the HA.

etc. pp., it's nothing more and nothing less than an early 109 with a 4-blade prop on it.

Best regards - Mike

Well he can fix all that if he really wanted to, but it is only a basic representation.

[Storebror]

Well he can fix all that if he really wanted to, but it is only a basic representation.

Yes, same feeling here.
I think it's quite a nice idea to have an HA-1112 available, it would be the perfect complement to the Avia S-199 which is available already.

Best regards - Mike

[Cranky.1]

I think a Frankenplane of Hispano HA-1112 with a P-40 nose might work

[Planemad]

A Bf 109E-3/4 Stand-in

Hispano HA-1112's as seen in The Battle Of Britain (Film) (1969)

Two Heinkels and the 17 flyable Messerschmitts (including one dual-controlled HA-1112-M4L two-seater, used for conversion training and as a camera ship)

Although visually a look-alike, the HA-1112 M1L Buchon was a later derivative of the Messerschmitt Bf 109.

Planemad