[RAF_Magpie]

CFS1 was ruined by mods.. You could never tell who had them and who didn't.. and I was kicked from more than one room on the zone simply because I flew better than some folks and was accused of cheating...

Whats the big deal guys... granted kos could have opened up this thread in a far less confrontational way.. but why keep going over the debate and not only that, what is wrong with some kind of app so that folks who want to host totally mod free competitive servers have that ability... and those who want mods can have them and if the two sides wish to coexist then that too can be a viable option...

No one is demanding that any of you or any of the guys making these mods...( and the truth is that some of these mods are GREAT STUFF.... some folks may not like that , not here of course...) stop doing that. It is way past that and it was actually past that from day one. That was why I made my first post over here when all this stuff broke out in the first place.. There is no reason to continue the hostility between the two camps for the obvious reasons and if this solution comes to fruition there will be even less reason for acrimony.... at least that is what I would like to see.

Some kind of app to at least screen for mods is a good thing.... No one is accusing anyone here of cheating.. and anyone who says modding=cheating is obviously clueless.... but for anyone to deny the fact that cheaters will use mods to cheat... and that some kind of protection against thsoe who would do that is absolutely necessary in a modded environment is fooling themselves. So all of you need to just lighten up... and keep flying.

Yes, - such an App would be a good thing. Na85's idea - I agree with. On principle at least. The thing is making such an App isnt anyone's responsibility.

I've offered my assistance to Na85 in building this - although I dont know what good I will be. I am an advicate for all here on this site, and aplaud all the effort and work being done. I think you'll find that such posts as this, in such a confrontational manor (as you put it), kinda strikes sore spots - particuarly considering the amount of grief anyone here gets on 'The Other' Forums (this whole thing reminds me a bit of Lost ).

CFS1 was killed by mods, but it was also made better because of them. Its a catch 22 really - and as of yet, apart from Anti-Mod's Cheats (ie the I-153-UberSpec) which are still only rumour, this site has produced NOTHING negative or destructive.

I cant speak for all here, only myself; but I'm sure that if such things are done to limit the ability of lesser individuals to create, or at least use modded FM's, or other cheats.

Perhaps, as someone suggest earlier, the program could simply be server based, that does a scan in Il2's registry, for particular files. Or scans the FILELIST file or whatever - I dont know. But if this was implemented on the server... Who could object to such a thing...? As far as I can see, no-one would... but to expect it of someone, is wrong.

I havent seen cheating INCREASE because of the sound mod. And the "evidence" posted at the Uber-Zoo, well that just dont cut the mustard! (one thing that strikes me as ironic, is said evidence doesnt actually confirm the cheating is because of the MODS does it?)

Kosmev, (as others have said...) if you have the ability to do this hack, then come in here and basically advertise such, why dont YOU produce something to help prevent Mod-Abuse...?

Sorry if what I'm saying doesn't make sense - been a long day