25.06.2009, 13:30
wow !!
i sure got a lot of barking for this one.
Well.
I think its a notable maneuver, and again, it takes practice to get the timing down.
As for effectiveness it will depend on altitude, and plane set, although, in an F4U-1c the move IS EFFECTIVE against the Folke Wolf and P-51, so don't try to kid me. I do it all the time and Id be willing to demonstrate, except that if you were anticipating it, then obviously it ruins its effectiveness.
Most pilots don't anticipate it, so they follow into the turn and square up trying to get a shot in.
For that reason it is effective. If an FW was foolish enough to follow he would black out, and if he didnt black out then you weren't diving fast enough to force a higher speed pass.
The key is being at the necessary altitude,,,,, 4000M+. The maneuver is less effective with less speed, and of course less altitude.
Full Switch settings are as much of a challenge, but if you practice your timing on open pit servers, then using the maneuver on a Full Switch server still has its place. I've hopped in a Hellcat, and done this various times only to see a zero swing by me on the outside of the turn into my gun path.
I cant promise you would always be as accurate, because you cant see through your airplane, nor track your opponent as easily, but getting out of the way of his attack is more than possible, and success would also fall on plane set and altitude, and most importantly airspeed.
Playing on Full Switch makes me feel like i have bigger balls too, but you should look in your pants, and you'll see they are the same size.
I know you probably would like to rip apart that opinion, too, but it is largely based on my experience, and i only offer this as a demonstration for newbie pilots to learn., even if its just getting the steep turn down to dodge a B and Z like attack.
As one gets more familiar with the different planes it also becomes necessary to recognize when you need to bank and turn. Obviously there is more room to breath if being attacked by a P-47 than say a Spitfire, but it is still a successful way to dodge an attack of that nature from a Spitfire, while flying a P-47...
I will also demonstrate.
I thought it was a better tactic than going into a snap roll, and praying for a miss, which i see all too often.
The move is made to bleed the energy of the attacker and bring him down to even terms, however flight characteristics of many planes change as you get higher in altitude.
In the above sequence, i was actually dodging two P-47s escorting b-29s.
They were trading off, and i was able to do this move several times with out being hit.
They also became more cautious after i was able to dupe them into over shooting into my gun path a couple times.
Like any smart pilot, it isn't a one trick, life saving maneuver that you rely on, but a combination of maneuvers and awareness that keep you in the game.
So take it for what it is and add it to your vocab, or....dismiss it as crap.
I would still recommend it to anyone new who is looking to expand their skills.
i sure got a lot of barking for this one.
Well.
I think its a notable maneuver, and again, it takes practice to get the timing down.
As for effectiveness it will depend on altitude, and plane set, although, in an F4U-1c the move IS EFFECTIVE against the Folke Wolf and P-51, so don't try to kid me. I do it all the time and Id be willing to demonstrate, except that if you were anticipating it, then obviously it ruins its effectiveness.
Most pilots don't anticipate it, so they follow into the turn and square up trying to get a shot in.
For that reason it is effective. If an FW was foolish enough to follow he would black out, and if he didnt black out then you weren't diving fast enough to force a higher speed pass.
The key is being at the necessary altitude,,,,, 4000M+. The maneuver is less effective with less speed, and of course less altitude.
Full Switch settings are as much of a challenge, but if you practice your timing on open pit servers, then using the maneuver on a Full Switch server still has its place. I've hopped in a Hellcat, and done this various times only to see a zero swing by me on the outside of the turn into my gun path.
I cant promise you would always be as accurate, because you cant see through your airplane, nor track your opponent as easily, but getting out of the way of his attack is more than possible, and success would also fall on plane set and altitude, and most importantly airspeed.
Playing on Full Switch makes me feel like i have bigger balls too, but you should look in your pants, and you'll see they are the same size.
I know you probably would like to rip apart that opinion, too, but it is largely based on my experience, and i only offer this as a demonstration for newbie pilots to learn., even if its just getting the steep turn down to dodge a B and Z like attack.
As one gets more familiar with the different planes it also becomes necessary to recognize when you need to bank and turn. Obviously there is more room to breath if being attacked by a P-47 than say a Spitfire, but it is still a successful way to dodge an attack of that nature from a Spitfire, while flying a P-47...
I will also demonstrate.
I thought it was a better tactic than going into a snap roll, and praying for a miss, which i see all too often.
The move is made to bleed the energy of the attacker and bring him down to even terms, however flight characteristics of many planes change as you get higher in altitude.
In the above sequence, i was actually dodging two P-47s escorting b-29s.
They were trading off, and i was able to do this move several times with out being hit.
They also became more cautious after i was able to dupe them into over shooting into my gun path a couple times.
Like any smart pilot, it isn't a one trick, life saving maneuver that you rely on, but a combination of maneuvers and awareness that keep you in the game.
So take it for what it is and add it to your vocab, or....dismiss it as crap.
I would still recommend it to anyone new who is looking to expand their skills.